Samurai 7

[animefreak]

i'm against Katsushiro of becoming a samurai....he doesn't even know y he wanted to become a samurai in the first place and here he is thinking about joining the samurai to fight a armies of bandits who were once fight as samurai. I bet he can't even last 5 min against the bandits....surely he have the potential of becoming a samurai but he's still lacks experience and skill, face it he can't even kill one of the bandit face to face on episode 11...he were able to kill cuz he was attacking from behind.

[Munsu]

Everyone lacks experience at some point... so if lack of experience is what prevents him from becoming a samurai then no one should become a samurai...

And his lacks of skill roots from his lack of experience... for some reason he wants Kambei to tutor him....

He is not full of himself believing that he is the "God of Fighting"... he knows that he lacks skills and he has the right motivation to improve himself

[jimmymasaki]

*sigh* yeah i noe ur gonna b sick and tired of me saying this... but seriously.. the scent of blood just coz he protected someone.. doesnt cut it.
it's more the mindset of putting your life on the line that as you say got him in. but honestly, putting your life on the line for someone (i think) should NOT make you a samurai.. but oh well. it's just an anime.
i'm not against katsushiro being a samurai. i'm just not satisfied with the reasons as to why he was recruited.. see, if he was just this guy who lacked experience instead of being super-ultra annoying as well, i would probably not feel this ultra hatred towards him... but i guess it's good that they have a character who i really hate, coz it shows that the writers have actually put thought into conveying like... argh i'm not good with words today. either way, it shows that there's some depth to a character is what i'm trying to say which allows the audience to judge. it's not like i hate katsushiro because he's a pretty boy or nething... if that makes sense??????
neway, it doesn't matter if it was from behind or from the front... it was the stupid bandits fault for turning his back and underestimating him.. PLUS death is death.. doesnt matter how it came about... but i can see what you're trying to get at animefreak

[Eurasian]

kanbei needed someone who will give it their all to protect the village. katsushiro demonstrated that he can and will protect the ppl and the village.

[jimmymasaki]

argh!" i dont wanna create an argument or nething but i dont think protecting one person and protecting 10 people really scale well. like i've been trying to say, all i don't like is the reason that you people give me (and which are probably correct) as to why he was recruited.
like i typed, it's only an anime. the downfall of humans won't be so apparant here and he'll be strong enough (mind and body) to protect the whole village instead of just the chick he likes. i guess i'm thinking to realistically and with too much bias (also stated)

[Eurasian]

well, kirara is part of the village. IMPORTANT part of the village. she's the miko of the village.

i'm sorry u didn't get the answer u want.

[jimmymasaki]

dunno if that's sarcastic... but it's cool. being part of a village, and being the village is another matter.. u get down to it.. and social status (i'll just call her status as miko of the village higher class even if it's kinda P.C) shouldn't matter.. coz you boil it down.. and she is just one person. like... she is just one life. the value of someone's life is no different to the value of another person's life... be it they're evil or not... so like... erm... can you understand my point?

[Eurasian]

i wasn't being sarcastic. i felt bad cuz u seem very unsatisfied w/ the answers.

uhm...u say her life is less important than the village. the village is more important. is that what ur saying?? (sorry if i got it wrong) if he's willing to protect on resident of the village then he can protect the village. ppl can say they can protect the village but will they really? the other samurai (not the 7) r portrayed as selfish ppl who just want rice. u see them take the rice and not agree to help them. what i'm saying is that kanbei finally saw what he wanted to see in katsushiro. i'm running out of things to say.

[jimmymasaki]

Originally posted by: Eurasian
i wasn't being sarcastic. i felt bad cuz u seem very unsatisfied w/ the answers.

uhm...u say her life is less important than the village. the village is more important. is that what ur saying?? (sorry if i got it wrong) if he's willing to protect on resident of the village then he can protect the village. ppl can say they can protect the village but will they really? the other samurai (not the 7) r portrayed as selfish ppl who just want rice. u see them take the rice and not agree to help them. what i'm saying is that kanbei finally saw what he wanted to see in katsushiro. i'm running out of things to say.

oh man i'm so glad that you're so willing to try and help me understand. i'm really grateful.. before i joined i thought the majority of people seem to just speculate or just have arguments so i'm quite glad that it's not friggin like that.
neways, i'm not saying she's less important.... all i meant was that one life is the same as another (well it should be in reality i mean) so like, it shouldn't matter who he's protecting be it kirara or the villagers... but in this case it does..
argh, i think i'm confusing the hell outta you and i think i'm starting to confuse myself. but you noe he was one of the first to agree to protect the village (can't think of what it's called... keep on thinking konoha.. stupid naruto! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] ) so if that was the reason then why didn't kanbei just say, hey... you're a good guy.
and yes, i noe it was coz he didn't have the smell of bloodshed on him.. but then if that's the case shouldn't he have been accepted AFTER he killed that no-buseri? i mean, taking an arrow is hardly bloodshed... it's like a mother trying to protect it's young (well, some mothers), it's instinct...

uh, please comment to this if u think i've honestly lost the plot...

i mean, i can accept that katsushiro's one of them.. coz i mean, it's already been done. it's just that the reason is really fuzzy to me.. it just doesnt make sense!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

[thundrakkon]

jimmymasaki, as mentioned before, it is a compilation of things that added up to Kanbei accepting Katsushiro. Think of it as this: When Katsushiro just started, he was green. He has never seen a live life and death situation or experienced anything close to real battle. He had the heart, but he wasn't ready. Kanbei realized that and did not want him to be killed so easily. As the story progressed, he experienced more battles, participated in a few (unsuccessfully), saw a bunch more, and began to be experienced. Kanbei knew he wanted to be Kanbei's apprentice, but Kanbei wanted him to prove himself first.

Taking the arrow meant that he truly was about to give up his life to protect. It is just one more sign for Kanbei to accept him. Also, it is not instinct. If it was, then that farmer guy with them on the boat would have done it, too. Any of the other "samurais" in the city would have not done it.

So in conclusion, it is a compilation of events, his increase in experience, that special event that pushed it over the edge, and Kanbei's acceptance that lead to Katsushiro becoming recognized as a samuai.

Here is a definition from Webster's Dictionary I have for you:

samurai - a military retainer of a Japanese daimyo practicing the code of conduct of Bushido.
Bushido - a feudal-military Japanese code of behavior valuing honor above life.

So if you take the definations into consideration (except of the daimyo part), Katsushiro is a samurai now.

[empT3]

As far as bushido goes, samurais greeted every single day as if that would be the day that they died. Hence it would be hard for one to become a samurai without having a proper respect for death and all it entails (first the fear of death and then the sin of taking life).

[jimmymasaki]

mmm, i have an argument against what ya said thundrakkon.. but i think you need to see my side of the argument and i can see that you don't really want to so i'm not going to try...
sorry for being a pain in the arse to ya, you've gotten you're point across and as i've said, i accept that he's on the team.. the reason as countless numbers of people... (actually two of you) have given me are all really good and have been explained well. it's just me being nit-picky and see like a microscopic hole to the argument.. eitherway he's on the team now... and kirara has respect for him now. well, dunno if it's called respect, but i'm happy that she's erm.. dunno the word. something along the lines of taking care of him coz she realises that she's kinda lead him to this path of killing people
erm,... empT3 i don'T get what you're commenting to... but yeah i noe that they greet every day as if it is their last... but if samurais valued life as a whole then i don't think they'd be killing people... i think it's more the value of the lives of good people... which i guess isn't a bad quality to have coz it shows loyalty and blahblahwoofwoof

[Munsu]

Let me put it to you in simpler terms... if Katsushiro wasnt picked as a Samurai... then who? It's not like Kanbei had a lot of choices to pick from.... And there is no reason not to accept a helping hand when fighting the bandit (unless he didnt want to see him get killed).... no reason really needed for him to form part of the group.... there are in need of a helping hand and Katsushiro is available

[jimmymasaki]

Originally posted by: Budweineken
Let me put it to you in simpler terms... if Katsushiro wasnt picked as a Samurai... then who? It's not like Kanbei had a lot of choices to pick from.... And there is no reason not to accept a helping hand when fighting the bandit (unless he didnt want to see him get killed).... no reason really needed for him to form part of the group.... there are in need of a helping hand and Katsushiro is available

dude, unless you think i'm that dumb (or unless you can't read), i've already stated a coupla times that he has been accepted and i can't change that..
and if that was the simple reason, then it wouldn't make the other 'complicated' reasons make sense...
either way the simple reason that bud's given me is much each for me to accept then the whole risking his life and the scent of bloodshed conpuzzling stuff.

EDIT: okai, in response to the quote, i meant that i've accepted that he's the only samurai around and i can't change that he was the one who was accepted.

[Munsu]

Well what can i say... the Lord works in mysterious ways and Kanbei also...

So let's leave it at that because this discussion is going nowhere...

[jimmymasaki]

i agree, sorry if i've disturbed (or should i say annoyed) everybody...

which comes to me asking another question (though i think it's been asked...) is komachi a girl? coz she talks like a boy.. but the name is girlie... AND her friend...okara.. it SOUNDs like a boy... but then shichirouji calls him/her cutie and shim blushes...

just want an opinion... (man that paragraph above made me so confused as i typed it) i'm pretty certain they're both girls...

[Munsu]

Na' you didnt annoy.. it was just that the conversation was at a point where it was going round and round, going nowhere


Yeah... im pretty sure they are both girls.... Though listening to your description makes me doubt...

[KameronFrye]

Ok, so I skipped 439578628765 other posts because it looked like a bunch of bickering over someone's hair or something... I don't know.

Anyways, I love this show. I saw something called Kaze no Yojimbo while I was out, which I understand is another retelling of another Kurosawa work. Has anyone seen it? Recommendable? What's the theme/difference between the show/movie, aside from the fact that it is animated whereas the original was live action? =b

[Munsu]

Kaze no Yojimbo... great series... not finished fansubbed though... only up to episode 23....

Dvd rips are coming out though... so it will be finished...

[Hakeem_21]

Shouldnt this anime have it own forum cause it very populer and serier that have own are over a time like Gungrave.