Originally posted by: Kalean
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
OOO WITHOUT BYUKAGAN NEJI WOULD SUCK TOO AND NOT ONLY THAT, SO WOULD NARUTO WITHOUT HIS KYUBI. GOOD POINT GENIUS.
Actually, Neji is still extremely fast and skilled in hand to hand combat, not particularly needing his byakugan to completely and utterly make a joke out of Naruto's attempts at close combat, and good enough to take out at least 20 clones at the same time before being 'smart' enough to know which clone to attack. Granted it was a feint on Naruto's part, but that goes more to naruto's skill than to any lack of skill or overall awesomeness on Neji's part. Which brings me to Naruto. Naruto is already a stamina freak WITHOUT the Kyuubi. He made all 100 of the clones he fought Neji with of his own chakra, and later on against Gaara in the same day, he did successfully create another 4,000 (The manga counted for us) clones ALSO of his own chakra. He didn't use the Kyuubi's chakra until at the VERY earliest he summoned Gama Bunta, because of lines stating that 'doing all that used up my chakra', but it's even possible that he summoned gama bunta without the Kyuubi, although I'd say that's highly unlikely. Regardless, Naruto and Sasuke tricked Zabuza without any usage of Kyuubi OR Sharingan, and freed Kakashi. Naruto can use the rasengan without the Kyuubi's chakra, and thus technically beat KABUTO with his own strength and freaky kind of willpower. Without using Kyuubi's chakra he double faked out Sakon, and got up after MANY of Kiba's fang strikes, which we HAVE established are really damn strong, and took care of the enemy genjutsu team in the chuunin exams almost entirely on his own. Noone can say that Naruto would suck without his Kyuubi, it's just a part of him that is very useful in certain situations, but hardly necessary for all. Of course, I don't think Sasuke sucks without the Sharingan, but your point is just immature AND incorrect. Thought I'd point that out.

The rock paper scissors theory does work on appropriate individuals. There could easily be a ninja near the head of Akatsuki who was just so rawly cheap or so wildly unconventional that noone else could defeat him, even if they were stronger and faster, and possibly even more skilled. Think about Gaara in his most recent battle and his underground sinking pressure move. That's about as cheap as you can get, short of making the enemy inhale sand and crushing/exploding them from the inside. But because Naruto only fought him on the trees, that move was hardly an option. Also, Naruto would never have pierced Gaara's sand shield without the rasengan, but because of differing circumstances, in mid transformation, Gaara did not HAVE the sand shield. Otherwise Gaara would've been the rock to Naruto's scissors, as it were. The theory does have a lot of merit, because for EVERY character in Naruto, there is a character that could completely own them. Naruto's chakra DOESN'T TURN OFF, making him a pain in the ass for Neji, as was Kidoumaru who was by design anti close combat, and pro horde-attacks. Of course, Neji would be the perfect counter for Jiroubou (the overweight sound nin) because no matter how strong that guy is, he isn't fast enough to come close to stopping the Hakke, and as Kakashi said, no matter how strong someone is, they can't train their inner body. So Neji would have OWNED that guy rather quickly. There are quite a few examples of this (Kankuro being a good match against Sakon and Ukon, for example) throughout the series, and they will continue to persist. If you can't deal with it, you really shouldn't be reading the manga, because EVERYONE in the manga has weaknesses. Even the third and Orochimaru have serious weaknesss. The third was seriously limited on Chakra, Orochimaru is seriously limited in foresight, and even more limited by his own ambitions. Kimimaro was mostly close combat and fighting for the wrong 'teacher' who showed no concern about him whatsoever. Without the curse seal level 2, Gaara would have completely destroyed him without the fight even becoming remotely close. It's just the way it works. One would think you could've figured that out on your own, but if I have to point it out then so be it...
wow, it's like you have something against me or something.

well, you think you are god damn smart. but you fail to realize the whole point of me posting "OOO WITHOUT BYUKAGAN NEJI WOULD SUCK TOO AND NOT ONLY THAT, SO WOULD NARUTO WITHOUT HIS KYUBI. GOOD POINT GENIUS." was to prove that saying "itachi sucks without his sharingan" is stupid because we all know he is awesome without it. but no, you decided to read what i wrote and comprehend it on your own retarded way without viewing the other possible meanings while acting like a fucking smartass jumping on an opportunity to disprove me (which is impossible). no shit neji and naruto are awesome without it, we've seen many examples of it. do you think i'd just look over them or i don't know these things? i don't have to prove my knowledge of naruto to you, newb. so let me return your shit back to you: your point is just immature AND incorrect. Though I'd point that out.

and as for the rock, paper, scissors theory... if you can't figure out why that theory doesn't work then you're just not gonna make it in life. you should get a medal for just being able to not choke on your own tongue while sleeping and then wake up in the morning.

EDIT: no, fuck it. i'll show you an example where rock, paper, scissors theory cannot apply. the last fight we saw (between lee, gaara, and kimimaro). first let me get this clear: lee and gaara would've both died if kimimaro was not sick. even gaara admitted that they would've been gotten their ass kicked. but you might think of this to say: "no, gaara would've used his sand to protect himself." wrong, you clown. gaara's sand only protected him when the tanuki came out and he used the strongest minerals from the ground. not only, is it quite hard to do that when you're in the air but we've already seen that kimimaro can break through walls of sand. so therefore, i just proved that gaara and lee would've been toast if it weren't for kimimaro's illness. ANYWAY, getting back to my main point... with what i said about how gaara and lee would've died, that just shows you that rock, paper, scissors theory does not work on all cases. it only works when certain factors are thrown in with appropriate individuals, such as kimimaro's illness.

here's a better example... hmmm, let's just mix up random characters and see if the rock, paper, scissors theory still applies. itachi vs hinata vs sakura. wow, lookie here. *looks down as the rock, paper, scissors theory goes down the shitter*