new guy, maybe old questions

[The Lord of Morning]

Hey, just found this forum but i cant seem to find the topics i want so i might be reasking old questions.

1. On the scroll for frogs naruto puts his name and beside it is jiraiya's name. shouldnt the 4th hokage's name be last instead of jiraiya's, unless HE got the frogs before jiraiya did? same thing applies for the rasengan, seems the 4th developed it and then erosenin got it.

2. do you think sasuke can do the shadow clone or rasengan? We know his eye can pick up almost any jutsu as ppl keep saying but he has yet to use either one. I figure he can get shadow clone but the high level of the rasengan makes me think it isnt that easy, even with such a great blood line, to learn rasengan.

3. is it just me or do bloodlines, even by being so powerful, not chosen as hokage? none of the kages that we know about had a special bloodline regardless of its advantage

4. jiraiya says there are nine members of the akatsuki, is that including orochi or not?

[oscar]

1.dunno bout the scroll, i cant read japanese. regarding the rasengan read the manga, when naruto is learning the rasengan , jiraiya says `u have the potential to become the 4th master´.
2. his sharingan allows him to see the jutsu but if he must also have the expertise to do it, in other words he might see the rasengan but if he cant manage his chakra well he wont be able to do it, an example of this is when he fought lee, he was able to see lees taijutsu but didnt have the physical skill to counter it.
3. the hokage r the strongest in the leaf, u must also remember that u must earn it and i dont think theres anyone with bloodline abilities that want it, example, hyuuga is most interested in keepin hes blood protected, also theres isnt anyone from the leaf that is as strong as tsunade or jiraiya.
4. nope, orochi was the tenth.

[oscar]

i think i have to find something more productive to do with my time

[PSJ]

okay then ill just correct oscar here with my answers.

1. Jiraiyas name is beofre 4ths but 4th name isnt there its just random marks. we dont know 4ths name. as for the rasengan there are only 3 ppl that know it Jiraiya, 4th and naruto. most ppl think 4th created it and jiraiya learned it but im think diffrently. jiraiya said it took 4th 3 years to master the jutsu, and master is not create. however he also says i will teach you 4ths jutsu but i think thats a translation error.

2. Sasuke might be able to do kage bunshin if he understands how to divide the chakra. the rasengan is a diffrent story it is a hard jutsu to master took 4th 3 years so no sasuke cant copy it. the sharingan can probably only copy jutsus that use chakra control and hand seals only. the rasengan and kage bunshin also has a trick to it.

3. Probably cause most of them cant compete with an ambious gifted ninja. you wont be a gifted ninja just cause you have a bloodline, like sasuke he got the sharingan and started out to be a gifted ninja but naruto has already passed him by. its rare for gifted ninjas to be born overall there arent many hokage material ninjas being born.

4. there were 9 members now only 8 thats why they work in group of 2, 4 group of 2 equals 8

[Goingin]

I only have something to add to some points

2) Remember that Naruto got the shadow clone nu jutsu stuff out of the earth scroll (it was the earth scroll right?) and so a forbidden technique.
I don't think u can copy a jutsu that came from that scroll cause there probably is a catch to it that only the scroll explains.

3) Nothing to add here, but i do have an extra question..
What made the 3rd Hokage so special that he could become a Hokage? I can't seem to figure it out..

[Sidnne]

What made the 3rd Hokage so special that he could become a Hokage? I can't seem to figure it out..

The 3rd was said in the manga to be the strongest of all of the Hokages. He became Hokage when he was very young. He was also given the nickname, "The Professor", because supposedly he was a master of almost every jutsu. And most importantly, he had the "will of fire" where he would do anything and everything in his power to protect the people of Konoha.

[The Lord of Morning]

yes, i believe what it takes to be the hokage is not simply the desire or strength, but rather both and ALSO the will to protect the village at all costs. Hokage is the leader/protector of the village, he/she should have the villages best interests in mind, regardless of personal injury. when hokage and orochi are fighting, they discuss this fundamental difference. I think the hokage to some degree HAS to give up his life for the village. all the hokages have died defending the village in some way or other. (Well the leaf ones at least). and i have the feeling even the fifth will fall someday.

And for those who remember, the scroll at the beginning have eight jutsu's on it, that i think were used to seal the kyubi in the first place right? Naruto only learned the first one which was kage bunshin. Since the jounin know kage bunshin it cant really be forbidden completely, just for those of under jounin level since kakashi knows it. You guys think that the 4th wrote that scroll to show how the kyubi could potentially be freed? the hokage said that it was 1 in million chance for naruto to learn how back then, but maybe he has been learnign them since, i bet rasengan is on that scroll.

i think the sharingan can learn the technique(kage bunshin), he jus thasnt had to implement it yet. look at their differing fighting styles. sasuke is a superior taijutsu fighter on his own, naruto has to resort to clones to make the field equal. Sometimes its annoying watching naruto cause you want him to be better in taijutsu but he just isnt. they are focusing on his being able to harness kyubi of course but i wish he could fight on his own just once!! of course when he gets kyubieed up he becomes badass.

side note:notice how sasuke has not been around to watch the others use their varying techniques? he fought first in the prelims and left, not viewing ANY of the other peoples abilities, and then came last during the acutal rounds, also missing all techniques. think how many techniques he might have absorbed if he had simply been there. even kakashi opened his eye to watch Lee fight, i figure he might have learned how to open some of the gates.

[Death BOO Z]

well, everyone answered it before, so i'll throw in some of my 2 cents...

1.in the anime it was a mistranselation, Jiraya's name wasn't the one next to Naruto's, the middle name reading is unknown so far...

2.Rasengan: no chance in hell, it's not a jutsu you're able to pick up after watching it once, even with the sharingan.
Kagebunshin: also not likely, he saw Naruto doing it only twice, once at the haku fight and against Gaara, I don't think he was in the mental condition to copy it in either cases.
(and on a side note, Sasuke can't do the mengekyou sharingan either...)

3.maybe it's becuase bloodline guys have a first commitment to thier clan, and not to the entire village, dunno...

4. that was with him, now there's only 8 of them (2*4=8), six of which are still unknown...

[orn210]

Originally posted by: Sidnne

What made the 3rd Hokage so special that he could become a Hokage? I can't seem to figure it out..

The 3rd was said in the manga to be the strongest of all of the Hokages. He became Hokage when he was very young. He was also given the nickname, "The Professor", because supposedly he was a master of almost every jutsu. And most importantly, he had the "will of fire" where he would do anything and everything in his power to protect the people of Konoha.

not the strongest of all the hokages! he was the strongest of the all kages and dont forget there was 4th even 3rd was alive and lil bit young 4th was the strongest in konoha when the 3rd was still kicking

[PSJ]

supposedy he knew all jutsu within the leaf. thats why they called him the professor.

[Assertn]

is rasengan even technically a ninjutsu? im under the impression that its just a swirling ball of chakra emitted from his hand.....
to call rasengan a jutsu would be calling the ability to walk up trees and stand on water as jutsus as well

i think its just a type of chakra control

[Raven]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
is rasengan even technically a ninjutsu? im under the impression that its just a swirling ball of chakra emitted from his hand.....
to call rasengan a jutsu would be calling the ability to walk up trees and stand on water as jutsus as well

i think its just a type of chakra control

Yep, I'm nearly 100% sure you're correct. It's not an official jutsu that can be copied with the Sharingan, it's advanced chakra control in the palm of your hand.

Originally posted by: Insomniac
The 3rd Hokage was stronger than the 4th, the 4th was said to be the same as Orochimaru skill wise (Oro was going to be 4th hokage but his ideals were evil).
the fact that the 4th sealed the Kyuubi gave him his awesomeness title but you have to remember that the 3rd is older and the 4th was in his prime, when the 3rd was in his prime he was the strongest ninja alive.

Agreed. Many people seem to forget this. The 3rd was the God of all shinobi.

[kaigan]

The 4th and 3rd are dame strong in their prime. Remember when anko was talking to the third when she said 'if HE was still alive (refering to the 4th)". So the 4th is definitely stronger than Oro. But who is stronger, we will ever know.

[Mut]

i think the only reason why the 3rd wanted choose orochimaru over the 4th for hokage was the 4th was too young at that time.

[hornetmike]

Yeah, he probably wanted Oro as his first choice cause oro was probably wiser and had more experience. But he was evil so he chose the 4th.

[Kale Ironfist]

he was the strongest kage ever, until the 4th came into the picture

[Insomniac]

The 3rd Hokage was stronger than the 4th, the 4th was said to be the same as Orochimaru skill wise (Oro was going to be 4th hokage but his ideals were evil).
the fact that the 4th sealed the Kyuubi gave him his awesomeness title but you have to remember that the 3rd is older and the 4th was in his prime, when the 3rd was in his prime he was the strongest ninja alive.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: The Lord of Morning
Hey, just found this forum but i cant seem to find the topics i want so i might be reasking old questions.

1. On the scroll for frogs naruto puts his name and beside it is jiraiya's name. shouldnt the 4th hokage's name be last instead of jiraiya's, unless HE got the frogs before jiraiya did? same thing applies for the rasengan, seems the 4th developed it and then erosenin got it.

Perhaps the 4th was released from his contract upon death?

2. do you think sasuke can do the shadow clone or rasengan? We know his eye can pick up almost any jutsu as ppl keep saying but he has yet to use either one. I figure he can get shadow clone but the high level of the rasengan makes me think it isnt that easy, even with such a great blood line, to learn rasengan.

Learning a jutsu doesn't mean being able to do it since every move requires a requisite amount of skill. For an instance, when Sauske picked up Lee's Taijutsu, he was incapable of utilizing it until after he picked up the necessary speed.

With that in mind, rasengan requires an amazing degree of chakra control. That is probably the reason that up until Naruto, only two individuals had been able to use it.

As with shadow clones, I find it curious that Sauske hadn't learned it yet.

3. is it just me or do bloodlines, even by being so powerful, not chosen as hokage? none of the kages that we know about had a special bloodline regardless of its advantage

Not that we know of.

4. jiraiya says there are nine members of the akatsuki, is that including orochi or not?

According to the AonE-ANBU translation, the nine members is including Orochi. Only after he skipped out were remaning eight members able to travel in groups of two.

[Knives122]

and He(the 3rd) probably saw that the 4th wanted what was best for the entire village while he saw that Oro only wanted what was best for himself

[Konohamaru]

err didn't the raikage that died by Sasori's hand have that black sand technique? isn't that a bloodline limit move?