new guy, maybe old questions

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: The Lord of Morning
Hey, just found this forum but i cant seem to find the topics i want so i might be reasking old questions.

1. On the scroll for frogs naruto puts his name and beside it is jiraiya's name. shouldnt the 4th hokage's name be last instead of jiraiya's, unless HE got the frogs before jiraiya did? same thing applies for the rasengan, seems the 4th developed it and then erosenin got it.

Perhaps the 4th was released from his contract upon death?

2. do you think sasuke can do the shadow clone or rasengan? We know his eye can pick up almost any jutsu as ppl keep saying but he has yet to use either one. I figure he can get shadow clone but the high level of the rasengan makes me think it isnt that easy, even with such a great blood line, to learn rasengan.

Learning a jutsu doesn't mean being able to do it since every move requires a requisite amount of skill. For an instance, when Sauske picked up Lee's Taijutsu, he was incapable of utilizing it until after he picked up the necessary speed.

With that in mind, rasengan requires an amazing degree of chakra control. That is probably the reason that up until Naruto, only two individuals had been able to use it.

As with shadow clones, I find it curious that Sauske hadn't learned it yet.

3. is it just me or do bloodlines, even by being so powerful, not chosen as hokage? none of the kages that we know about had a special bloodline regardless of its advantage

Not that we know of.

4. jiraiya says there are nine members of the akatsuki, is that including orochi or not?

According to the AonE-ANBU translation, the nine members is including Orochi. Only after he skipped out were remaning eight members able to travel in groups of two.

[Knives122]

and He(the 3rd) probably saw that the 4th wanted what was best for the entire village while he saw that Oro only wanted what was best for himself

[The Lord of Morning]

Originally posted by: hornetmike
Yeah, he probably wanted Oro as his first choice cause oro was probably wiser and had more experience. But he was evil so he chose the 4th.

is there any indication we know how powerful the 4th was compared to orochi? I do think from the general flow of the anime that the 4th was indeed more powerful, but thats a guess based on conversations such as anko's. I think the 3rd initially wanted orochi because he saw his genius, but as soon as he knew he was evil the idea of choosing him was gone, at that point the most he could hope for was for orochi to change his ways, but with such an individual there is no way the 3rd could risk making him hokage in hopes he would change.

hmm another question, since the 4th sealed his life with the kyubi when he banished him, and since the kyubi didnt die but is sealed in naruto, would this mean the death jutsu was not enough to kill the kyubi? or do you think the 4th chose to seal the kyubi in naruto instead of killing it? I think the earth(?) scroll at the beginning has all the jutsu the 4th used to capture the kyubi, hence the fear that naruto could release it if he learned them all.

in their primes i would guess the 3rd was badass and definatly more powerful then orochi and definatly could beat the 1st and 2nd hokages but he was only afraid of the 3rd box, which had the 4th. who knows who was more powerful in their prime, but i think when we learn more about the 4th we will be fairly impressed, even after seeing all the ninja we have so far.

[bcrogers]

I'd say anything regarding the Yondaime will be exxagerated, because he was the village's hero. He was obviously excellent, but because of the nature of Naruto's battles (this ain't DBZ y'all) it would depend on circumstances. The kyuubi was around for a while, so likely it was on the fourth's terms when they fought. And as the fourth was a hokage--upstanding and all that--and Orichamaru is just plain badass, who do you think would gain the upper hand? Orichimaru is devious. Yondaime has been compared to Naruto. 'Nuff said.

Also, do you really think Sasuke would copy Naruto's technique? He's too proud. Also, it's only useful to Naruto when he has a plan, and uses it to force the opponent to focus on the duplicates. How many times has Naruto made a ton of duplicates, but attacked stupidly, and they've all been wasted? They're just flat out different people.

As for the Earth scroll...I wouldn't worry about it. I mean, the manga was just starting out then. Did Kishimoto even know if it was gonna fly? Sure, he tied the whole Mizaki thing up later (goddamnit, I just WATCHED 146, why have I already forgotten his name?) quite nicely, but I doubt he had deep ambitions for that scroll. Everything after the Haku ordeal can probably be taken literally, IMO.

Oh, and yes, I'm new here. Uh, hi.

[Yezsyr]

Regarding the question of the strongest ok the Kage level ninjas is this. Sandaime retired not because Yondaime was a stronger ninja than him, but because he felt that he was ready to retire, and his powers were on the decrease. The very fact that Sandaime matched up as well as he did against Orochimaru at the age he was at should speak volumns about the power he had in his prime. Orochimaru was as strong as he was at his prime, noted by the futility of Jiraiya's and Tsunade's attacks. (Orochimaru fought on par with them without his arms or jutsus, which should destory the notion that Jiraiya's stronger) But Sandaime fought on par with Oro with his arms. If you believe that Oro and Yondaime were close in strength, then you have to believe that Sandaime, IN HIS PRIME, was the strongest ninja. The thing about Yondaime is that he was so good, so young. He hadn't even reached his prime. He is similar to Kakashi in the sense that even at their current levels, they still have a lot of room to grow, or had in Yondaime's case.

About Sasuke and the Kage Bunshin. I would think he has by now, and certainly after the time skip... if he still exists.

[heero]

Originally posted by: Yezsyr
Orochimaru was as strong as he was at his prime, noted by the futility of Jiraiya's and Tsunade's attacks. (Orochimaru fought on par with them without his arms or jutsus, which should destory the notion that Jiraiya's stronger)

Jiraiya couldnt use his chakra at that time because Tsunade gave him some kind of drink remember?

[Yezsyr]

Originally posted by: heero

Originally posted by: Yezsyr
Orochimaru was as strong as he was at his prime, noted by the futility of Jiraiya's and Tsunade's attacks. (Orochimaru fought on par with them without his arms or jutsus, which should destory the notion that Jiraiya's stronger)

Jiraiya couldnt use his chakra at that time because Tsunade gave him some kind of drink remember?

He couldn't use his chakra properly and was still capable of using jutsus. And he must have had some level of chakra control in order to summon Gama Bunta. And messed up chakra compared with no jutsus and no arms.... I would prefer the messed up chakra.

[Konohamaru]

err didn't the raikage that died by Sasori's hand have that black sand technique? isn't that a bloodline limit move?

[mage]

Originally posted by: Konohamaru
err didn't the raikage that died by Sasori's hand have that black sand technique? isn't that a bloodline limit move?

that was the 3rd kazekage, and no, it wasn't a blood limit.

[Assertn]

actually......i sorta figured it was a blood limit