Neji's possible jutsus

[Mut]

Originally posted by: polaris79
I don't think this is true.

In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.

Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.

you're still not understanding it. sharingan allows the user to see and react to all types of jutsus/movements instantly which makes the chidori user to go in for a direct attack while still being able to dodge any incoming counter-attacks and still continue with the chidori. byukagan doesn't have that capability since it doesn't allow the user to immediately read and react to opponents' moves.

[CyberPunk]

yea, mut@t@ is right. the sharingan offers movement foresight which allows the user to counter attack more effectively. byakugan offers almost 360 degree vision, a view of the chakra highway in living beings, and that zoom thing that hinata did in the forest, all of which are awesome, but it doesn't offer insight to opponent's moves.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: polaris79
I don't think this is true.

In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.

Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.

you're still not understanding it. sharingan allows the user to see and react to all types of jutsus/movements instantly which makes the chidori user to go in for a direct attack while still being able to dodge any incoming counter-attacks and still continue with the chidori. byukagan doesn't have that capability since it doesn't allow the user to immediately read and react to opponents' moves.

My, my, you're fairly persistent at pressing home this point. =)

I disagree. While the sharingan is automatic with its jutsu copying, it doesn't translate into reflex-based responses. It takes conscience information processing to make tactical decisions like how to positionally counter the defensive response to the chidori. So all that is needed is to precisely see the counter. Sharingan offers the sharp sight. So does the byukagan.

Also, recall that the sharingan was derived from the byukagan. While there may be differences between the eye jutsus, there are also similariteis due to their common origin. One of those simlarities is the sharpness of sight.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: polaris79
My, my, you're fairly persistent at pressing home this point. =)

I disagree. While the sharingan is automatic with its jutsu copying, it doesn't translate into reflex-based responses. It takes conscience information processing to make tactical decisions like how to positionally counter the defensive response to the chidori. So all that is needed is to precisely see the counter. Sharingan offers the sharp sight. So does the byukagan.

Also, recall that the sharingan was derived from the byukagan. While there may be differences between the eye jutsus, there are also similariteis due to their common origin. One of those simlarities is the sharpness of sight.

lol... dude, you're still not getting it man...

recall back to when sasuke activated his sharingan against haku. while his normal eyes could not see any of the movements, as soon as he activated his sharingan, sasuke was able to track haku's movements and react to them to a certain degree. that's why the sharingan is needed for someone to use the chidori effectively. the sharingan allows the user to basically see the movements instantly as they happen. it's almost like seeing every movement frame by frame.

now... last time i checked, there was nothing explained about byukagan letting the user to read and counter movements quicker than the normal eye. the sharp insight sharingan offers is different than byukagan's insight.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
lol... dude, you're still not getting it man...
recall back to when sasuke activated his sharingan against haku. while his normal eyes could not see any of the movements, as soon as he activated his sharingan, sasuke was able to track haku's movements and react to them to a certain degree. that's why the sharingan is needed for someone to use the chidori effectively. the sharingan allows the user to basically see the movements instantly as they happen. it's almost like seeing every movement frame by frame.

Granted.

now... last time i checked, there was nothing explained about byukagan letting the user to read and counter movements quicker than the normal eye.

Being able to see nine birds flying overhead from an oblique angle doesn't qualify as seeing things sharply? Being able to see something sharply means being able to see a quick counter.

Let me spell out the process. Whether or not a fast movement can be seen depends on resolution of sight. To someone who can't quickly process the images, it'll appear to be a blur. I think it's clear that both eye jutsus can give its user high resolution of sight.

Sharingan gives its user an automatic copying of jutsus, NOT and auomatic physical reflex. The reflex part is a combination of reaction time (something that is all together unrelated to eye jutsus) and making the conscience decision in how to counter.

[Raven]

Originally posted by: polaris79
Being able to see nine birds flying overhead from an oblique angle doesn't qualify as seeing things sharply? Being able to see something sharply means being able to see a quick counter.

Yes, it's true that he can see the birds, but it doesn't mean he can automatically react instantly to them.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Yes, it's true that he can see the birds, but it doesn't mean he can automatically react instantly to them.

...and whether or not the reaction is instantaneous is unrelated to eye jutsus.

[CyberPunk]

the sharingan gives a great deal of foresight; meaning sasuke has an idea of shit before it happens.

[Raven]

Originally posted by: polaris79

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Yes, it's true that he can see the birds, but it doesn't mean he can automatically react instantly to them.

...and whether or not the reaction is instantaneous is unrelated to eye jutsus.

Nah, it is related. The Sharingan allows much faster automatic reactions than the Byakugan, hence the fact that it's much more suited to Sasuke rather than Neji, like Mut@t@ was saying.

[Mut]

ok... i was already assuming that the sharingan use is fast enough to match his opponent.

but anyway, let me go back a little...

as i said, the sharingan let's the user see movements frame by frame which allows the user to see it and react to it given that the user is fast enough (i didn't think i needed to add the last 7 words to this sentence for you to understand but it seems that i have to). correct? of course. now... what does the byukagan do? it allows the user to see far distances like it's close as if the byukagan user is right in front of it. now... this is different than what the sharingan does. while the byukagan user sees far away things closely it does not sees the object's or opponent's movement like the way sharingan can. no matter how far or close the opponent is, the byukagan can't see the opponent move frame by frame like the sharingan which doesn't allow the time needed for the user to react. byukagan will always see it move at the same speed.

now given all that. as neji with his chidori charges at gaara, gaara's defense will pull out the spikes. as soon as the spikes come out byukagan will see it but neji won't have time to react to it since he can't see it fast enough. it's like in the matrix. neo can see all those bullets coming and dodge them which is what sasuke can do with his sharingan. but byukagan doesn't have that capability.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: polaris79

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Yes, it's true that he can see the birds, but it doesn't mean he can automatically react instantly to them.

...and whether or not the reaction is instantaneous is unrelated to eye jutsus.

I think the main thing missing from this equation is the fact that Sasuke via the sharingan can emulate Rock Lee's taijutsu speed. This is the factor that is necessary for the chidori to work effectively. Neji's fighting method is a very stationary form he does not move too much he has a circle of Hakke where he does little movement. His other popular move is the heavinly spin, this offensive/definsive jutsu keeps him stationary and again there is little to no movement.
If Neji were to learn chidori he would have to completely change his fighting style.

[Lithonite]

i suppose i cant keep quite any longer on this one. the byakagan would be able to use the chidori- its "perceptive" abuility exceeds that of the sharingan. for isnstance. when neji was battling kidomaru he saw that kido was going to attack vai mouth though the chakra movement in his neck and face toward his mouth- it is clear that the tenkesu and meridians were a diffrent coler than the inactive one. Neji would be able to see where an attack was going to come from clearly with this ability. He has the eye, for sure. as for the rasegan well actually teh abuility to push chakra through all the tenkitsu of his body takes incredable chakra control- more than most jounins. as most jounin can only do it through 1 part.

the fact the neji can see 360 degree's has nothing to do with hs penetrating sight, or his perceptive abuilities. the fact he is able to perform his kaiten- mean that during set spin he is control chakra flow out of his body through every part- further more during his figh with kidomaru he was able to focus cackra 50 out, and only within the few radians of his blind spot.

i would have to say effective use of chidori is definately possible by Neji, and most likely if told the basics of the rasegan he would be able to figure, how to perform it RELATIVELY easily- with his current chakra control and ability.

as for power, hrmm i am under the impression Naruto was not using te kyubi chakra when he perform the rasegan. although sme tend to believe so. he has more than enough chakra of his own to perform that technique remember the multiples of kage bushin he performed. during gaara fight- this was before he acces the kyubi chakra from what i can tell- its seen best in the anime as it was blue chkra we know not only from watching te anime but from te conversation with jiraiya about his two chakra and the two colors they are.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Lithonite
i suppose i cant keep quite any longer on this one. the byakagan would be able to use the chidori- its "perceptive" abuility exceeds that of the sharingan. for isnstance. when neji was battling kidomaru he saw that kido was going to attack vai mouth though the chakra movement in his neck and face toward his mouth- it is clear that the tenkesu and meridians were a diffrent coler than the inactive one. Neji would be able to see where an attack was going to come from clearly with this ability. He has the eye, for sure. as for the rasegan well actually teh abuility to push chakra through all the tenkitsu of his body takes incredable chakra control- more than most jounins. as most jounin can only do it through 1 part.

the fact the neji can see 360 degree's has nothing to do with hs penetrating sight, or his perceptive abuilities. the fact he is able to perform his kaiten- mean that during set spin he is control chakra flow out of his body through every part- further more during his figh with kidomaru he was able to focus cackra 50 out, and only within the few radians of his blind spot.

i would have to say effective use of chidori is definately possible by Neji, and most likely if told the basics of the rasegan he would be able to figure, how to perform it RELATIVELY easily- with his current chakra control and ability.

as for power, hrmm i am under the impression Naruto was not using te kyubi chakra when he perform the rasegan. although sme tend to believe so. he has more than enough chakra of his own to perform that technique remember the multiples of kage bushin he performed. during gaara fight- this was before he acces the kyubi chakra from what i can tell- its seen best in the anime as it was blue chkra we know not only from watching te anime but from te conversation with jiraiya about his two chakra and the two colors they are.

i'm not sure if i understand correctly but... are you trying to say that byukagan can be a replacement for the sharingan for a someone to attack with the chidori effectively? if you are... then i don't think your example about kidoumaru helps your argument. being able to see something as it happens frame by frame, basically in slowmo, is different than seeing something happen at normal speed far away from you.

if i totally misunderstood you, then nm.

[Hero-Sennin]

WAAARGH FOR F*CKS SAKES! Ive only read the first page of this damn thread and had to go to the effort of changing my password cos I forgot it JUST TO SAY HOW DUMB THIS POLARIS79 dude is. For fucks sakes dude. Sharingan has the quickest reaction time, by using sharingan, the user can READ YOUR MOVEMENTS AS SOON AS YOU DECIDE TO USE THEM. Sharingan doesn't have to see you move, it can TELL what you are going to do thus offering superior reactions. Byakugan can just see 360 degress plus it can see chakra in people and their insides (to some extent), it cannot, well, almost-read-minds like the sharingan does. Really dude, EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS SAYING THE SAME THING MAN. Byakugan is not as good as Sharingan for reactions as Byakugan entirely relies on the user to see and react to a counter, Whereas Sharingan is relied on BY the user to let him/her know what move the opponent is about to use. Take a look at Kakashi vs Itachi's mmate with the Eat-y Sword, Kakashi managed to pull off the same water jutsu as this dude before he'd even done it. They both formed hand seals EXACTLY the same time, because kakashi could see (using sharingan) what he was going to do. [And before anyone says it, I dont mean the fight against Zabuza where he hypnotised him] There is no way on earth a byakugan user would have been able to do this, because they can only SEE WHAT IS PHYSICALLY HAPPENING, they cannot interpret peoples thought/movement patterns like the Sharingan can.

For fucks sakes dude. We million people who are arguing with you are right. And there's no point saying "I disagree" because its not an opinion based matter, its fact that what we are all saying is correct.

Hero-Fuckin-Sennin

P.S - Ive now gone on to read the rest, and noticed that the tard to whom i was earlier referring shut his cake-hole. Good stuff, however some of you guys really dont know shit man. Ur all talking about what this guy said or what the abilities are, orWHETHER NEJI COULD DO RASENGAN. Im sure neji could do rasengan, im sure with enough practise, fucking that litle kid - Konohamaru - could fucking do the rasengan. Jeebus! i think generally the idea is that AT that age onloy 4th and Jirayia could do the rasengan (sounds like a dance dunnit). Crikey, look, Kakashis comment about better insight from byakugan meant that he was able to see the tenketsu and the flow of chakra, Neji's face reading theory is bullshit he just knows how to read peoples movement, Sharingan lets you read peoples thoughts (good example already used, the Zabuza talking bit with kakashi, and the example i used earlier with Eat-y Sword guy) . So really shut up all you cocks, and simply if you dont know what ur on about, dont post is son.

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