Neji's possible jutsus

[polaris79]

Because of his diverse skill set, Neji should be able to master both the Rasengan and the Chidori.

Rasengan requires the user to not only have the chakra level capable of forcing chakra on the hand but the chakra control to properly focus it. As a prodigy of the Hyuga, Neji has chakra control superior to Naruto. If anything, Neji should be able to learn and master Rasengan more effiently than any character we've encountered so far.

As we all well know, Chidori is a technique unique to Sauske and Kakashi. It requires large stores of chakra, the ability to harness and control concetrated chakra, and an eye jutsu to see defensive counters. Neji has all of these. His Byakugan is as effective as Sharringan in its seeing abilities. There is no reason that Neji can't be as good as Suaske with the Chidori.

[Mut]

i dunno about rasengan. neji can shoot out chakra from any part of his body but he hasn't shown anything that tells us that he can manipulate chakra. rasengan needs chakra to be controlled in a certain way, neji's chakra controlling skills isn't really the same.

so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. chidori is suppose to be a straight on spearing type of attack. for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent. you saw an example of this during sasuke vs gaara in the stadium.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
....so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. ... for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent.

That's what byakugan is for. By sheer image resolution, byakugan out completes sharingan.

[Gods_Son]

Byakugan would probably be better for sight and counter attacks. Neiji would never be taught those techniques and they don't suit him anyways though.

[Kumiriko]

To my understanding. not completly sure but. Sharigan is auto responce thought. Byakugan is more Data gathering. then you have to choose to react to what you learn.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: polaris79

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
....so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. ... for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent.

That's what byakugan is for. By sheer image resolution, byakugan out completes sharingan.

no, it doesn't. you're not understanding what i'm saying. let me elaborate. when sasuke was charging at gaara while gaara was covered in his spherical sand, sasuke was using sharingan. as he was running towards gaara, the sand grew spikes attempting to stop sasuke's attack. however, sasuke's sharingan enabled him to see the spikes coming and avoid them almost completely letting sasuke continue is direct assault.

but for neji, he won't be able to do that. let's replace sasuke with neji. yes, he may be able to see what's going on behind him but as he is charging at gaara, neji won't be able to react to the sand spikes quickly enough cuz the byukagan doesn't have seeing capabilities like the sharingan. as far as reading movements and reacting to them, sharingan out completes byukagan. byukagan only lets the user to see almost 360 degrees around him/her and chakra flow/points.

that's why kakashi taught sasuke the chidori and not naruto. without the sharingan, you can't attempt such a direct assault.

[AlbinoFury]

those jutsus would clash drastically with his fighting style though, his style isnt to obliterate his foes but to shut them down. Sure with time he could prob learn either but they wouldnt work well with the hyuga style, now rock lee with a chidori in each hand, i can see that and itd be insane [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: polaris79

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
....so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. ... for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent.

That's what byakugan is for. By sheer image resolution, byakugan out completes sharingan.

...the byukagan doesn't have seeing capabilities like the sharingan. as far as reading movements and reacting to them, sharingan out completes byukagan. byukagan only lets the user to see almost 360 degrees around him/her and chakra flow/points...

I don't think this is true.

In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.

Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: AlbinoFury
those jutsus would clash drastically with his fighting style though, his style isnt to obliterate his foes but to shut them down. Sure with time he could prob learn either but they wouldnt work well with the hyuga style...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

I actually did realize this, and gave it some thought.

Any ninja needs to be equipted to deal with any situation. Chances are, Neji will face enemies who use nonanimate physical techniques for offense and/or defense (ie Gaara's sand). A doll (Gaara's brother's technique) or a shield of sand have no chakra points. This effecitvely nullifies the Hyuga Taijutsu.

If Neji had Chidori and/or Rasengan, he will actually be able to fight.

With his Haiten move (that chakra defensive swirl), we realize it's not as if Neji have to focuse exclusively to poking at chakra points and attacking inner organ systems. Any fighting system, no matter how dominant needs flexiblity. Chidori and Rasengan would offer that.

[Kumiriko]

Heck. it can see thought Led. Dosnt mean it dose the same thing as The Sharigan

[Mut]

Originally posted by: polaris79
I don't think this is true.

In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.

Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.

you're still not understanding it. sharingan allows the user to see and react to all types of jutsus/movements instantly which makes the chidori user to go in for a direct attack while still being able to dodge any incoming counter-attacks and still continue with the chidori. byukagan doesn't have that capability since it doesn't allow the user to immediately read and react to opponents' moves.

[Kumiriko]

I thhink i summed it up decently even with the insuraty.

[CyberPunk]

yea, mut@t@ is right. the sharingan offers movement foresight which allows the user to counter attack more effectively. byakugan offers almost 360 degree vision, a view of the chakra highway in living beings, and that zoom thing that hinata did in the forest, all of which are awesome, but it doesn't offer insight to opponent's moves.

[w455up]

I'm personally a Neji fan, but I doubt he'd be able to learn Chidori. When Kakashi said Byakugan had better "insight" than Sharingan, I think he meant that it can see things with greater detail and focus than Sharingan, but it doesn't provide the auto-counters that Sharingan does through the "dot" things.

Also, with Rasengan, I guess any genius ninja might be able to master it given time, but Naruto was able to learn it quickly because he's using his own improvised method involving Kage Bunshin, which none of the genins have access to. Maybe after years of practice Neji might be able to master Rasengan, but we'll have to wait and see.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: polaris79
I don't think this is true.

In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.

Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.

you're still not understanding it. sharingan allows the user to see and react to all types of jutsus/movements instantly which makes the chidori user to go in for a direct attack while still being able to dodge any incoming counter-attacks and still continue with the chidori. byukagan doesn't have that capability since it doesn't allow the user to immediately read and react to opponents' moves.

My, my, you're fairly persistent at pressing home this point. =)

I disagree. While the sharingan is automatic with its jutsu copying, it doesn't translate into reflex-based responses. It takes conscience information processing to make tactical decisions like how to positionally counter the defensive response to the chidori. So all that is needed is to precisely see the counter. Sharingan offers the sharp sight. So does the byukagan.

Also, recall that the sharingan was derived from the byukagan. While there may be differences between the eye jutsus, there are also similariteis due to their common origin. One of those simlarities is the sharpness of sight.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: w455up
I'm personally a Neji fan, but I doubt he'd be able to learn Chidori. When Kakashi said Byakugan had better "insight" than Sharingan, I think he meant that it can see things with greater detail and focus than Sharingan...

Right, and I'm claming that this is all that's needed...

...but it doesn't provide the auto-counters that Sharingan does through the "dot" things.

As mentioend in my last post, Sharingan doesn't give its user an auto-counter. Instead, it provides its owner 1.) Sharpness of sight, and 2.) An unconscience and automatic copying of jutsus. It is the former, rather than the later that is an indispensible ingredient to the chidori.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: polaris79
My, my, you're fairly persistent at pressing home this point. =)

I disagree. While the sharingan is automatic with its jutsu copying, it doesn't translate into reflex-based responses. It takes conscience information processing to make tactical decisions like how to positionally counter the defensive response to the chidori. So all that is needed is to precisely see the counter. Sharingan offers the sharp sight. So does the byukagan.

Also, recall that the sharingan was derived from the byukagan. While there may be differences between the eye jutsus, there are also similariteis due to their common origin. One of those simlarities is the sharpness of sight.

lol... dude, you're still not getting it man...

recall back to when sasuke activated his sharingan against haku. while his normal eyes could not see any of the movements, as soon as he activated his sharingan, sasuke was able to track haku's movements and react to them to a certain degree. that's why the sharingan is needed for someone to use the chidori effectively. the sharingan allows the user to basically see the movements instantly as they happen. it's almost like seeing every movement frame by frame.

now... last time i checked, there was nothing explained about byukagan letting the user to read and counter movements quicker than the normal eye. the sharp insight sharingan offers is different than byukagan's insight.

[CyberPunk]

Originally posted by: polaris79
Because of his diverse skill set, Neji should be able to master both the Rasengan and the Chidori.

Rasengan requires the user to not only have the chakra level capable of forcing chakra on the hand but the chakra control to properly focus it. As a prodigy of the Hyuga, Neji has chakra control superior to Naruto. If anything, Neji should be able to learn and master Rasengan more effiently than any character we've encountered so far.

As we all well know, Chidori is a technique unique to Sauske and Kakashi. It requires large stores of chakra, the ability to harness and control concetrated chakra, and an eye jutsu to see defensive counters. Neji has all of these. His Byakugan is as effective as Sharringan in its seeing abilities. There is no reason that Neji can't be as good as Suaske with the Chidori.

i also doubt that neji has the speed required to deliver the chidori. i'm sure he could learn it, but it would take him a bit longer to learn than sasuke.

[Raven]

I'm entering this thread late, and in reading it all at once I'd say respectfully to polaris79 that while you're presenting good arguements, you're not quite right in your reasoning. Mut@t@ is correct. I'd present my own arguement but I'd just be repeating what Mut@t@ has already said.

[polaris79]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
lol... dude, you're still not getting it man...
recall back to when sasuke activated his sharingan against haku. while his normal eyes could not see any of the movements, as soon as he activated his sharingan, sasuke was able to track haku's movements and react to them to a certain degree. that's why the sharingan is needed for someone to use the chidori effectively. the sharingan allows the user to basically see the movements instantly as they happen. it's almost like seeing every movement frame by frame.

Granted.

now... last time i checked, there was nothing explained about byukagan letting the user to read and counter movements quicker than the normal eye.

Being able to see nine birds flying overhead from an oblique angle doesn't qualify as seeing things sharply? Being able to see something sharply means being able to see a quick counter.

Let me spell out the process. Whether or not a fast movement can be seen depends on resolution of sight. To someone who can't quickly process the images, it'll appear to be a blur. I think it's clear that both eye jutsus can give its user high resolution of sight.

Sharingan gives its user an automatic copying of jutsus, NOT and auomatic physical reflex. The reflex part is a combination of reaction time (something that is all together unrelated to eye jutsus) and making the conscience decision in how to counter.