like i said before.. genjitsu itself can't physically hurt a person.. but you can use them as your advantage to get your opponent...
like i said before.. genjitsu itself can't physically hurt a person.. but you can use them as your advantage to get your opponent...
The illusion itself cannot cause real injuries or wounds, but it can be used to hide an actual physical attack. It can also harm your mind or spirit because if your mind believes the illusion, than so does your body (Itachi's Mange Sharingan).
heh, well, you'll see some day [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] (not referring to the manga, yet..)
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see what?
i have n o idea
its kinda like the matrix you get hurt in the matrix then ur body gets hurt too....Originally posted by: Mut@t@
genjutsu messes with the five senses; sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch. it can't do any actual physical damage. from what we've seen tsukuyomi is aimed for the the opponents' hearing, sight, and touch. i don't know about smell and touch since that's not clearly shown. it didn't do any physical damage to the actual body but it made kakashi's mind think that the body was stabbed for however long it was.
no it's not...in matrix... you really can't get out of that.. but with genjitsu you can.... if you have strong will...
I'm kind of agreeing with sigma here. Genjustsu will never do anything like cut off a leg, or put a bullet in a brain. But the thing that causes the damage is the way the body reacts to it. The biochemistry involved becomes disrupted, and that's what kills. I think that, if you can trick the mind into responding to the genjutsu in that manner, then you really could take someones life with it, or paralyses them. If any damage were caused, it would be limited to neurological damage because genjutsu affects the brain. No matter how hard you try, you'll never cause any damage to a door knob with genjutsu (no brain), that's for sure.
The indication of that being true is when Itachi said that the pain was not fake. I take that to mean that his body chemistry was reacting as if there were stab wounds. Not everything, just the nervous and endocrine systems (he should have been spewing adrenaline like crazy. In fact...that might have been the cause of his physical exhaution.)
Another way that genjutsu might work to cause actual damage, is to scare the living shit out of someone. Specially old people. If you make something sufficiently frightning, you might be able to cause that person to have a heart attack...like giving a surprise party to your 100 yr old grandmother...
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miaka...maika...maika *shake head* he said it's LIKE in the matrix. i am sure what he is tryin to say is that just like in the matrix if the mind believe the pain is real enough the body will as well.Originally posted by: miaka
no it's not...in matrix... you really can't get out of that.. but with genjitsu you can.... if you have strong will...
lol yeah.. wasn't saying it is the matrix but making a comparison
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img] narashikamaru
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] sorry got bored. u can point out my spelling mistake and gramatic mistake miaka. dont be shy point and laugh and laugh and point
in that case.. I M NOT MAIKA... it's MIAKA.... train your eyes[img]i/expressions/devil.gif[/img]
and by the way... another thing i caught.. it's trying.. not tryin....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] muhahaha
Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
I'm kind of agreeing with sigma here. Genjustsu will never do anything like cut off a leg, or put a bullet in a brain. But the thing that causes the damage is the way the body reacts to it. The biochemistry involved becomes disrupted, and that's what kills. I think that, if you can trick the mind into responding to the genjutsu in that manner, then you really could take someones life with it, or paralyses them. If any damage were caused, it would be limited to neurological damage because genjutsu affects the brain. No matter how hard you try, you'll never cause any damage to a door knob with genjutsu (no brain), that's for sure.
The indication of that being true is when Itachi said that the pain was not fake. I take that to mean that his body chemistry was reacting as if there were stab wounds. Not everything, just the nervous and endocrine systems (he should have been spewing adrenaline like crazy. In fact...that might have been the cause of his physical exhaution.)
Another way that genjutsu might work to cause actual damage, is to scare the living shit out of someone. Specially old people. If you make something sufficiently frightning, you might be able to cause that person to have a heart attack...like giving a surprise party to your 100 yr old grandmother...
Thank you, well put [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
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=P Looks like you are having funOriginally posted by: miaka
in that case.. I M NOT MAIKA... it's MIAKA.... train your eyes[img]i/expressions/devil.gif[/img]
and by the way... another thing i caught.. it's trying.. not tryin....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] muhahaha
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] yes i m
Actually... orochimaru did comment saying "the darkness disappeared" or something of the like... so maybe it does affect the whole environment... although that would severely limit the capabilities of the genjutsu if even the user sees darkness. So from the ep, we know Sandaime can see total darkness, and orochimaru was at least aware of the darkness... the other 2 hokage's i dont know... i would like to think they could see but if they couldnt, that would explaing how hokage was so easily able to catch them... any thoughts?Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
as for the darkness jutsu, unless they actually showed the anbu guys acknowledge it being dark or something (cant really remember), i would assume that it was more of just something that only the hokage saw. Some genjutsu affect the whole environment, while others affect only the target's perception of the environment. It wouldnt make sense for the darkness jutsu to fall into the former of those two categories, since it would hinder the sight of the 1st, 2nd, and orochimaru as well.
Thoughts? Nope, wrong forum buddy. Just kidding [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] I don't know why I'm in my dumbass mood today. I asked the whole genjutsu question was that I read an interview and kishimoto said that the hand seals were just replacements for the more traditional verbal components of spells. That immediately sent me to my AD&D days, and I started thinking in those terms. I was wondering if the total darkness spell was like the continual darkness spell in AD&D, because it's not an illusion there. But even thinking outside those terms, someone posted earlier that the two kages knew their way well enough in the darkness to rough up Sandaime. I think they could see.
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yeah they roughed him up, which gave me the impression that they could see, and I thought to myself sandaime was able to catch them the first try because he an exceptional shinobi capable on relying on other senses to determine his enemies location. But what about orochimaru? He detected the darkness. Did they not care about him and put him in darkness as well? doubt it. So maybe he somehow just felt that the genjutsu was terminated... meh, weird... but u know whats weirder? go the the post i just posted a few min back... if i cant refer to other posts i for some reason (a rule or somethin) I apologize...
Good point, I'll have to check the episodes at some point when I'm not so tired.
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