The Gap Between Genin And Jounin

**njdevs95** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by: SilentSnake
Don't know, if someone noticed that before...

but didn't sasuke use chidori 4 times in one day ??

ep 83 - 2 holes in the rock, sasuke's doing chidori for the third time, end of scene...

sasuke hears about itachi and naruto, finding 'em and doing chidori for the 4th time on itachi in one day... (and has his hand "burned" by chidori, but after all he managed to do it normally...)

No he tried to do it 3 times in a day but failed. The first 2 were a flashback of his training before that day. Then he did it once in the stadium against the gaara ball, he did it once in the forest and then he tried to do a third one in the forest but it fizzled out and he became as useless as sakura.

Also in response to the first post if catching a jounin off guard makes one almost as powerful or as powerful then the eraser is a jounin.....remember when naruto put the eraser in the door and it hit kakashi the first day they met.......yeah buddy that eraser is a bad ass mofo.

**Jessper** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 01:40 PM

All your examples are of the best genin, yes Naruto's Chakra can overwhelm a jounin obviously yes lee's speed may be faster than a chuunin(maybe a regular jounin but we havn't seen that yet IIRC) and Haku has a bloodlimit power that is extremly powerful.

Yes Genin(the exceptional ones we have seen) may equal a jounin in one point but not in all of them so they arn't really at jounin level but most of them should be chuunin I think.

If your agruement was that all Jounins don't surpass all Genins in every way shape and form then yes I agree with you but I don't think a normal genin would stand a second vs a normal jounin.

**PSJ** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 02:32 PM

well i guess the reason why the genin are stronger or as strong as jounin in some areas is because hmm ehm they are MAIN CHARACTERS, or significant to the story. how fun would it be if all characters were on sakura level which is an average genin.

**SilentSnake** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by: njdevs95

Originally posted by: SilentSnake
Don't know, if someone noticed that before...

but didn't sasuke use chidori 4 times in one day ??

ep 83 - 2 holes in the rock, sasuke's doing chidori for the third time, end of scene...

sasuke hears about itachi and naruto, finding 'em and doing chidori for the 4th time on itachi in one day... (and has his hand "burned" by chidori, but after all he managed to do it normally...)

No he tried to do it 3 times in a day but failed. The first 2 were a flashback of his training before that day. Then he did it once in the stadium against the gaara ball, he did it once in the forest and then he tried to do a third one in the forest but it fizzled out and he became as useless as sakura.

Also in response to the first post if catching a jounin off guard makes one almost as powerful or as powerful then the eraser is a jounin.....remember when naruto put the eraser in the door and it hit kakashi the first day they met.......yeah buddy that eraser is a bad ass mofo.

I clearly said in ep 83, u totally messed up things i'm afraid...

EDIT: I don't agree that sakura's average genin !!

it's insulting every average genin [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

**gokudagreat** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 02:50 PM

You people are all in denial... You like the badass characters like Kakashi and Itachi and you REFUSE to believe that anyone could be stronger than they are, and make any argument to prove that Naruto and Sasuke are just no where near there level

Well guess what, no matter how weak they are in comparison to Itachi now, THEY WILL BE STRONGER THAN HIM, GET THE FUCK OVER IT

Jeez

**PSJ** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 02:59 PM

well then name an average genin, hmm well kiba, shino, sakura, ino, hinata, chouji, tenten. thats average then you got the strong ones that got one or another abiltity as strong as a jounin, naruto, shikamaru, sasuke, neji, rock lee. of course i only counted konoha nins.

**Mut** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 03:17 PM

i'll bet that naruto or gaara (the strongest genins we've seen so far) would get their shit kicked in by a jounin... say... jiraiya. yep, there is a huge gap between genins and jounins. case closed.

btw, jiraiya is a jounin. sannin or sennin is not a rank.

**Krbadass** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 03:20 PM

Kakashi would kick the shit out of gaara or naruto.. case also closed

**SilentSnake** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 03:24 PM

well, that was meant to be joke as I hate sakura (yes, i know, i'm not original on this one [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] ).

but seriously, I think she's too physicaly weak AND mentally to be average genin right now.

I think U would agree that Chouji for example is average genin, or Tenten, even Kiba, but... nahh... he's one of the stronger ones.

I believe she's weaker than those 2, after all, right now...

she can be pretty powerful some day, but she's not strong today and won't be strong tomorrow...

as for some genins being stronger than jounin, hell... they're just ranks, they mean nothing in fact, genin CAN be stronger than a jounin, but it depends on many many things...

**NewGuyinTown** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by: SilentSnake
well, that was meant to be joke as I hate sakura (yes, i know, i'm not original on this one [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] ).

but seriously, I think she's too physicaly weak AND mentally to be average genin right now.

I think U would agree that Chouji for example is average genin, or Tenten, even Kiba, but... nahh... he's one of the stronger ones.

I believe she's weaker than those 2, after all, right now...

she can be pretty powerful some day, but she's not strong today and won't be strong tomorrow...

as for some genins being stronger than jounin, hell... they're just ranks, they mean nothing in fact, genin CAN be stronger than a jounin, but it depends on many many things...

He just stole what I'm going to say...

So what if there are little gap between a jounin and a genin. It doesn't mean the presidents, czars, ministers, or all these high ranking leaders are second to god in knowing everything.

**PSJ** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 03:51 PM

bad comparation. you dont become a big leader cause you have knowledge. if there was an exam for becoming president i would be more likely to pass it than bush.
this thread really has no meaning. of course is there a diffrence between a genin and a jounin even a dog would know that. if there wasnt why would these ranks exist?

**SilentSnake** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 04:13 PM

when I said that ranks don't mean nothing I was thinking about strenght.

of course Jounin MUST be quite experienced and smart, but genin not neccesarilly...

genin CAN be stronger than jounin, but that's it... being chuunin or jounin isn't only about being strong, there's a lot more into it after all...

it's been said in here enuff times I suppose...

**random** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 07:04 PM

i thought jiraiya was on par with kage... or the rank above jounin... same as the otehr sannin.... remember the chart thing they talked about somewhere in the first couple episodes... but anyways...

I really have nothing major to contribute to this argument...

I liked Haku... I wish he didn't die... hahahaha.. anyways I think by zabuza saying that haku was better than him... he was implying that with haku's bloodline technique... he could become a shinobi that was far superior to zabuza.... i don't really think he meant that haku was so far above him that he'd get owned by him....

**Mut** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 07:09 PM

there is no rank above jounin. it goes kage > jounin > chuunin > genin > academy student. i'd say that anbu is just a stage inbetween jounin and chuunin since anbu is not higher than jounin. also, sannin and sennin is not a rank.

**random** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 07:41 PM

well kage is above jounin... like u said.. and jiraiya and tsunade were considered for kage.. so they must be at kage level... kage is the title given to the highest ninja in the village (so its kind of like a rank)... well the first and second ruled together... so its possible to have more than one kage at once(more than one person can be at that 'level')... so i figure jiraiya and tsunade are kage level though not given the kage title (yet)... i see them as above jounin... if that makes any sense....

i think anbu aren't even on the scale.. but their skill level is somewhere within chuunin and jounin like u said...

**orn210** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 07:51 PM

i think there can be a genin stronger than a jounin cuz you should remember all the ninjas(jounins,kages) were genin before they go up, but i dont know if you're getting what i mean hmmm...... its like no matter how strong they are they have to be genin to go to the next level......... man i just confused myself

**Himura_san** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 08:47 PM

Just to make some points here.

In regards to Haku, he has a strong bloodline ability which may cause problems for even Jounins yet as we saw he did not have the ability to kill, I think that is the main jump from Genin to Jounin.
Regardless how much strength or power you have if you are not capable of using it it is useless.
It is like giving a 10 year old kid an assault rifle and giving a navy seal a hunting knife and setting them lose on each other in a small jungle. I would put my money on the navy seal. A jounin leaves emotion aside and thinks logically and makes sacrifices if needed, none of the genins have this ability. Even Garaa let emotions tie him down. It's not about overall strength or how many jutsus you know but how you can think during a fight and whether you can take the other person out.

BTW Kakashi would stomp both Garaa and Naruto if he wanted to.

Case Closed!!!!

**kaigan** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 09:08 PM

Haku can kill. He just doesn't want to kill Naruto and Sasuke.

**dragon** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 10:02 PM

just because a deamon is inside the ninja doesnt mean he is good look at saskues when he turns into the cursed sasuke hence oro's bite naruto bitchslaps sasukes oro form and removes the bruise

***Assertn*** · Mon, 05-31-2004, 10:40 PM

the only times ive ever seen a genin do something to indicate that they could beat a jounin is in scenarios where the genin either has the power of a demon, or if the jounin just toys around with the genin for a while (both fit the haku scenario, and gaara fitting the "defeating all his assassins" scenario). Kakashi acknowledged that sasuke had alot of chakra way back in the survival training, but as we saw when he went up against itachi, that even having an uber powerful move and lee-level speed doesnt mean that he stands even a remote of a chance against a jounin

Until i see a serious all-out match between a jounin and a genin, with the genin winning....i refuse to accept that a genin could beat a jounin

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