Who has had the roughest past?

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Mae
Yes, Sasuke was happy before his family was killed, but what did he have after that? Naruto at least had a hope for the future, that one day if he worked hard someone would recognize him and his life would change.

No matter what he does Sasuke can never get his family back. This will never change for him, and he will miss them for the rest of his life. All he has, at least in the beginning of the series, is his revenge. So I think Sasuke had it worse than Naruto.

Still, I thinks Gaara had the roughest past of anyone. Not only did the one person who seemed to care about him die in front of him, but to find out that he was never loved at all... And he still misses his uncle and his mother, even knowing that they hated him.

Well Naruto cant get his family back either his mom is dead and his father too.
I just dont see how Sasuke had worse than Naruto.

[chambers]

yes but he didnt see it happen did he. its just shear stupidity to sugest that naruto had a harder past than sasuke.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i dont think so......the "dispair" that you had distinguished from sadness shouldnt be any different than what the other branch members feel
however, head members rarely go and kill branch members, and if they do, it isnt just because they can. Now if the dispair in neji's case is knowing that he cant exact revenge like sasuke can for the loss of a family member, then thats where the difference lies. However, is it really worse to give up on living a dark vengeful life, than to pursue that?

Neji still had his clan to look after and care for him, sasuke didnt....not being able to vent the anger of his loss by killing the person he blames for his dad's death shouldnt justify it being worse off

Anyone's situation can be made better or worse by the way they choose to take it. Not being able to avenge his father definately contributed to his despair, but there's more to it. His father was feeding him the idea that his talent for the bloodline traits was the greatest out of everyone in the clan. Also, he knew that the difference in power between his father and uncle was negligible. Yet, there was a mountain of difference in their abilities to choose their own pathes in life. This is what makes him different then the rest of the clan (maybe).That cursed seal on his forhead limits him, more so than others, because of his talent. He lives on the whim of another. That seal is there so that if needed, his life can be sacrificed for that of another, regardless of his own will. What he wants doesn't matter. His power, cannot benifit him or anything of his choosing unless it's in line with what someone else wants. All because his father was born thirty seconds later than his uncle? All these things combine to form Neiji's view of life. The view that say "nothing I do matters. there's no way out." It's definately not just about revenge. I don't know how much it's really warrented, but I can understand it. Also, the fact that other branch members may be suffering the same thing doesn't make it any easier. Slavery certainly isn't made less terrible by increasing the numbers of slaves.

[Assertn]

now you're just talking about how bad the branch members have it, which is not the same as the topic of the discussion "who had the roughest past"

the head/branch system is just a system, like how the mist village used to have a system where half the academy members kill the other half to become ninjas....they may be cruel, but its for the best interest of the village/clan

i dont think the branch members are as bad off as you make it seem. In fact it would seem to me that all head and branch members treat each other as if they are family anyway, the only difference is that the branch members are relied on more for combat and protecting the head family while the head members are relied on for preserving the bloodline (although now that i think about it, i wonder why they dont just put those seal things on ALL hyugas, instead of just some of them)

[Uchiha Barles]

Maybe I didn't do a good enough job of it, but the point of that was to show that in all likelihood, the intensity of neiji's pain is greater than that of the rest of the clan for a couple of reasons. One is that he has a greater talent than all the others and having such talent amount to nothing is painful. Also, it didn't help that his father was feeding him all this stuff about him being the most talented, and about wishing he could give birth to him as a head family member. Just reiterating enough to try and clarify what I said. Another thing I should have added was that, even though the realizations neiji came to probably aren't unique to him, he came to them at a very young age. I'd guess that that also separates him from the rest of the clan as far as the intensity of his pain. Also, there was a definate class distinction between head and branch members as shown by the relationship between neiji's father and his uncle. Regardless of the love they had for each other, neiji's dad didn't hesitate to attack hinata, and the brother didn't hesitate to activate the seal, and neiji had to witness all of that...

The reason I bothered trying to make a distinction between neiji's experiences and that of the rest of the clan is because you said "the 'dispair' that you had distinguished from sadness shouldnt be any different than what the other branch members feel" and I felt there was a need to do so to get my point across as a result. Anyway, regardless of how it comes about, I personally would rather go through life with hatred and purpose rather than despair and being unable to take my own life (for whatever the reason, even if I'm just afraid to do so)

About the seal not being on everybody, you're right, it would make more sense to have it on everyone, but part of the Hyuuga's hook are class relations and birthright. I'm guessing the seal being on just the branch family is to make that concept more apparent.

[Assertn]

huh? neji can take his own life if he wants too [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

the way neji's personality reflects his past doesnt seem to me like the kind of personality that desires revenge though......its more like, he accepts that some people are given a path the moment they are born, and the death of his father gave him that realization

it doesnt seem like he has any strong feelings about anything during this past saga, except when he attacked hinata....but i think that was more out of jealousy than anything else

[Uchiha Barles]

Yeah, I'm not saying he wants vengence, but if he does, it's lost somewhere within all that feeling sorry for himself. And yeah, he accepts everything you said, but he hates it everyday of his life. And would never stop if he handn't lost to naruto. Ah well, I understand what you're saying, I'm sure you know what I'm trying to say. I'm tired as hell, so I won't be able to give you a good argument at this point. Sorry.

[Shinji Ikari]

I would like to say that it would be moraly wrong to vote on roughest past... As to my knowledge, there is no way to compare sorrow.

[ShinobiNeko]

v_v well.. shinji you do kind of have a point there

[Kakafosha]

every character is screwed up in their own and unique way, you cant really say one has had it rougher than the other because its all harsh to each and one of them but effects them all in the same way. (if anyone posted this, sorry, there are 4 pages of post. i dont read that much at school so dont expect me to read that much here [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] )

[Shinji Ikari]

Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
v_v well.. shinji you do kind of have a point there

Well thank you, I do think so myself [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Chiyo]

1.Sasuke
2.Naruto
3.Gaara

[jGz`93-o6]

1.Naruto
2.Gaara
3.sasuke
IMO becuz sasuke came from konoha's most outstanding clan, which gained him respect among ppl unlyk gaara and naruto. i put gaara 2nd as it doesn tell u much about his life except he was a "moster"

[DarthEnderX]

I don't even know how people can put Naruto on the list. So he's a freakin' orphan, so what?

The real one with the roughest past is the viewer, for the past year of Naruto.

[Psyke]

Yeah I agree Naruto's past isn't that rough compared to perhaps Sasuke or Neji. My vote, however, would go to Zabuza. He's been through a lot, way more than any of the Konoha ninjas.

[BioAlien]

1-Sasuke
2-Gaara
3-Naruto

also... why the hell did you bring back this almost 2 years old topic??

[XanBcoo]

My vote, however, would go to Zabuza. He's been through a lot, way more than any of the Konoha ninjas.

Really? I thought Zabuza always thought of his childhood as happy times. Of course, those happy times were just him slaughtering the graduating class of the Mist Villiage, but hey - it's Zabuza. He enjoyed it. He hasn't been through anything very traumatic or troubling apart from he and Haku's deaths.

Roughest childhood? I say it's a tossup between Gaara and Sasuke in terms of loss, Gaara and Naruto in terms of lonliness/ostracization, or between Lee and Neji in terms of just being fucked over by life.

[Zinobi]

Really? I thought Zabuza always thought of his childhood as happy times. Of course, those happy times were just him slaughtering the graduating class of the Mist Villiage, but hey - it's Zabuza. He enjoyed it. He hasn't been through anything very traumatic or troubling apart from he and Haku's deaths.

Roughest childhood? I say it's a tossup between Gaara and Sasuke in terms of loss, Gaara and Naruto in terms of lonliness/ostracization, or between Lee and Neji in terms of just being fucked over by life.

im not sure why but the "or between Lee and Neji in terms of just been fucked over by life" made me laugh for a long time...

but im think prolly the roughest past Haku...i mean he got attacked by his own family and basically exiled, he looks like a girl, and lived on the streets without anything til he met Zabuza

[6Zabuza9]

gaara. his sand killed his mom when he was born, whole life called monster and only one person said she loves him, father sent people to kill him, the only person who said she loved him attacked him and got killed by gaara's sand. he pretty much has nothing to live for with no goal except for killing everything he sees and being his countries tool. while sasuke still living in other to kill his brother and naruto was just called a monster so he wants to be hokage

[Psyke]

Really? I thought Zabuza always thought of his childhood as happy times. Of course, those happy times were just him slaughtering the graduating class of the Mist Villiage, but hey - it's Zabuza. He enjoyed it. He hasn't been through anything very traumatic or troubling apart from he and Haku's deaths.

Ah I see.... For me I was thinking more on roughness and how many battles he's gone through while growing up, and not whether it was traumatic or not. As for the most traumatic growing up experience, I'll have to go with Gaara as well.