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    Haha.....well, i was told by the_fourth. Gimme a break, I last watched it at 5:30 am.

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    What do you mean there where no bodies in the street, on a scene you see sasuke running and seeing corpses on roof as well as on the streets.

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    maybe the line, "i wanted to see what i was capable of" isn't necessarily an ability thing. maybe he wanted to see how truly sadistic he could be. we've seen from the other parts of the series where ninja are often thought of as tools without emotion. he didn't seem to have any emotion at all. i don't know, just adding something to this thread.

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    I subscribe to the belief that Itachi told Sasuke a lie. "I did this to test my abilities." It's this sort of thing that would rile Sasuke. And, as we know, Mangekyou Sharingan is merely an illusion. A powerful illusion, yes, but Itachi can construct the world as he sees fit.

    Ever since I knew about Itachi, my own hypothesis was that there is another force at work, and in order to keep this force from obtaining the power of the Uchiha clan, Itachi kills everyone except himself and Sasuke, for he feels they are the only two who have any chance of fighting against this force. Itachi says what he says to Sasuke in order to motivate Sasuke to become stronger, as he himself believes that Sasuke can surpass him.

    Itachi may seem cold, but it's obvious he still has some attachments to Sasuke. Check out the finger twitch in episode 81. For someone who's so calm and able to move with such precision, a twitch like that is pretty significant.

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    i wouldnt be surprised if that was all that it was to itachi.....sure they tend to build more on backgrounds later on, like with gaara.....but thats more for people with troubled pasts.....

    itachi's didnt seem very troubled except for the stuff he did on his own. Besides, oro never got much of a backstory, the only reason we ever see flashbacks of him is because he's in flashbacks of sarutobi and jiraiya
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    Personally I think that someone else was responsible for killing the Uchiha clan, and Itachi came in after it had been done. I don't believe that he's the major villain that everyone is making him out to be.

    We never saw him kill anyone, or any trace of blood / exhaustion etc when Sasuke finally meets him in the flashback, and the only evidence for the slayings is the usage of the sharingan to put the images in Sasuke's mind.

    What if that was a plan by Itachi to force Sasuke to get better by giving him a target to aim at? Meanwhile Itachi goes ahead and infiltrates the bad guys to look for the real culprit?

    Just another idea

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    wow i can understand if you like itachi but you guys think up some tired excuses. theres no justifacation at all for killing your whole clan including your granparents and parents. why would he show the image of him killing everyone to sasuke if he didnt do it? plus you could tell he was thinking evil thoughts when sasuke looked at him and he frowned, that made me think itachi was thinking, 'i cant wait to kill this nuisence.'

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    I think it really shows how Sasuke really is... he freaked before, and again in the forest of discomfort, so that shows he's really calm under most situations even stressful ones, but he has a breaking point, and he totally freaks... whereas naruto freaks in generally minor situations, and when it gets very serious (where sasuke freaks) naruto shines.... which makes them a damned good team, IMO... i still don't see where sakura fits in... except making traps... damn that womans good at traps.

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    i still don't know what to think about itachi. aside from the fact that he makes a great bad guy.

    he does appear to care about sasuke in some parts, the finger twitch and the whole thing he did when he was younger and sasuke asked for help.....but then in other parts he's totally cold to him.

    part of me thinks it is possible that he didn't kill everyone and he arrived too late and gave sasuke the illusion that he had killed everyone because sasuke knew how powerful itachi was so he had a definate goal to surpass and itachi figured sasuke could surpass him and actually kill the true culprit. but then if that was so, how would sasuke even know aobut the true culprit. i mean he's grown up for years and years thinking it was itachi and hating itachi it's not like itachi can just go, oh by the way i showed you an illusion x person actually killed everyone but i knew i couldn't beat them and thought you could. cause yeah, sasuke wouldn't believe that and would just end up killing itachi (or trying too) and calling it a day.

    so i wouldn't be overly surprised if later in the series it is shown that itachi didn't actually do it. i also wouldn't be surprised if he actually did do it because at the moment he's a pretty mysterious character, not much is known about his past except from sasuke's perspective so it is possible he was just one sick and twisted guy. if he did do it i think he had motivation other than 'testing' himself cause wow that is so lame esp given that he killed kids and grandparents and that they were his family so i doubt quite a few of them even put up a fight cause they were probably too shocked which all means it was a pretty lousy test unless it was a test of how unemotional he could be and even then i hope there is some type of further explanation.

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    Well to put the argument about Sasuke's grandparents not putting up a fight to an end, here's my two cents. Grandparents love their grand children, they were probably in alot of shock, and in no condition to put up a fight against their own dear grandson. That explains there lack of action.

    Oh and they probably had Itachi killing everyone look so pathetically easy because either one, if they animated good battles, the flashback would be alot longer, or two, it was just images Itachi placed into Sasuke's mind, and making the Uchiha clan look helpless is that much more traumatizing.

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    Hey there the names HarryCabbage
    I say the episode was pretty good although i was a little pissed off they didnt really take off on what was happening although i gotta say Jiraya is a playa

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    if itachi didnt kill his clan, or willingly do so.....then why did he join akatsuki, a VOLUNTEER organization?
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    Hey nice to know I'm not the only person that think's that Itachi might be innocent. The reason why I think he joined the Akatsuki is because the real person that killed the clan might be apart of that group.


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    Originally posted by: Aeon
    Hey nice to know I'm not the only person that think's that Itachi might be innocent. The reason why I think he joined the Akatsuki is because the real person that killed the clan might be apart of that group.
    Itachi, INNOCENT? You people have a lot of imagination when it comes to theories! COME ON!! Itachi IS evil, not a mystery hero.

    IMO, he's part of Akatsuki simply because it's an evil organization and he's evil. My theory is at the opposite of yours, being that he killed his clan as a test for being accepted in Akatsuki.

    (PS: nothing personnal)

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    I'm actually wondering if Itachi killed his clan as part of a test. Maybe he found out about the organization
    and wanted in, but needed to be more... qualified.

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    haha i wouldnt be surprised if these itachi lovers start explaining that the reason he joined Akatsuki as a undercover agent and he is really working with the hidden leaf

    also for those who think itachi cares for sasuke...wait til 85 comes out

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    they never have any proof of itachi killing anyone, for example: him actually killing someone. The only evidence that he would be actually evil and not a great actor would be that he said "kill them, they need to die immediately" to kisame when kakashi spoke of akatsuki. If itachi really killed his clan, there would be no reason to keep sasuke alive. I think kishimoto made the flashbacks that way to later on add something different, possibly a good itachi. Cuz if he wanted more dramatic effect, sasuke could have walked in right when Itachi sliced the parents, while his mom screamed "SASUKE, RUN!" or something like that.

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    Originally posted by: originalkrn
    they never have any proof of itachi killing anyone, for example: him actually killing someone. The only evidence that he would be actually evil and not a great actor would be that he said "kill them, they need to die immediately" to kisame when kakashi spoke of akatsuki. If itachi really killed his clan, there would be no reason to keep sasuke alive. I think kishimoto made the flashbacks that way to later on add something different, possibly a good itachi. Cuz if he wanted more dramatic effect, sasuke could have walked in right when Itachi sliced the parents, while his mom screamed "SASUKE, RUN!" or something like that.
    so ur saying itachi got framed? lol give it a rest -__-

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    you guys are thinking way too much into this. stop trying to be brilliant.
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    in the manga in the flashback didnt he walk in and his mom did say sasuke run? i seem to remember that but i may be wrong, the manga chapter for around this episode i deleted and i dont feel like downloading it again.

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