If Naruto was unfortunate enough to get caught in the Mange Sharingan, the Kyuubi is likely to freak Itachi out of Naruto's mind. Then again, it's Naruto's mind, not Kyuubi's. But at that instant, i would think the Kyuubi would take over Naruto's body while his mind is occupied and just catch Itachi off guard. He'd just be like, wtf? The mind is gone, but the body's going mental.
Either way, he will be ownd.
i dont know, it may be powerfull, but when in the Mange sharingan itachi controls everything. EVERYTHING. i mean he could just create a mountain ans sqush the fox a thousand times over. or he could create two foxes to fight the one. i dont think theres any limit to the power as its all inside his head. but to clarify that i doubt itachi could do that to the fox in the real world but when he is subdued by naruto i think it woudl be possible.
Naruto cant handle ALL of Kyuubis chakra all at once, its just not possible for him (at least at this point). Besides remember Itachis jutsu speed, he can creat a kage bunshin and stab a kunai to Narutos head before Naruto notice it.
Hehe, yeah for sure, but its likely the Kyuubi can get into Naruto's head then own Itachi in Naruto's mind. Genjutsu only works on those weaker than the technique, i dont think Mange Sharingan would stand a chance against Kyuubi.
you're totally mixing a few stuff... let me go over those things one by one.
A. there's no comparison between Ino's mind control jutsu and the mangekyou sharingan (tsukiyomi), even if you think that Sakura has some extraordinary power (which she doesn't), it still won't do her any good against Itachi... becuase Itachi will simply not care, Sakura can bitch about everything she wants, Itachi simply won't care and will stab her to death.
B. Naruto won't probably go all 'super kyubi' again, I think his body is getting used to the demon's chackra, so he keeps his mind and limits his power (see the diffrence between the haku fight, the fight with orochimaru and the fight with neji, there a increase\decrease rate between Chackra outburst\sanity).
C. Naruto won't stand the mangakyou sharingan, unless he's completly out of control (goku's Ouzaro form ouf of control), Itachi's power will own him.
D. Gaara is a diffrenet case, since the sand demon has direct effect on his brain, so he might have a slight resistence to the sharingan.
E. Kyubi and Shukaku (true forms) won't be touched by the mangakyou sharingan, i doubt that they even feel the stabbing of some lame sword from a pipesqueek like Itachi, it just won't bother them.
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just to let you guys know, if naruto's seal breaks, naruto dies from chakra overload.
I agree with Mut@t@ Naruto would die from too much chakra, his body cant handle it yet.
death boo z iam not saying that itachi COULD defeat the fox or racoon, but i think your forgetting that itachi controls EVERYTHING. if he wanted to he could step on the fox like it was an ant, or become the size of a microbe and anihilate him from the inside. it was stated that he controls every thing within his mind so i doubt anything would be able to stand once its in. gai is on the right track try to avoid it, i also dont think the monsters would be suceptable to it at all.
i dont think genjutsu work on the Kyuubi... even if Itachi controls all of Naruto's senses i dont think it would kill the Kyuubi
maybe it would break narutos seal and then... the world is pretty much fucked
the problem is that the Mangakyou sharingan is Genjutsu, he manipulates your mind as he sees fits, so the key to a good genjutsu is knowing your opponents mind and yours, meaning that if the experience your'e trying to cause is unfammiliar by the target, it just won't work, becuase he doesn't know the feeling. So since nobody can be bigger (stronger, faster, etc, etc) than the kyubi, the demon won't feel anything even if Itachi can visualize himself as a giant crushing ants.Originally posted by: chambers
death boo z iam not saying that itachi COULD defeat the fox or racoon, but i think your forgetting that itachi controls EVERYTHING. if he wanted to he could step on the fox like it was an ant, or become the size of a microbe and anihilate him from the inside. it was stated that he controls every thing within his mind so i doubt anything would be able to stand once its in. gai is on the right track try to avoid it, i also dont think the monsters would be suceptable to it at all.
the second point, is that we don't know if the Kyubi can be effected by genjutsu, he's described as a natrual disaster, like a storm or an earthquake, i doubt any of them has a conciounse and a mind set similar to that of a person.
oh, and if Itachi doesn't want to fight Jiraya becuase it'd be dangerous, do you really think he'll fight Kyubi? Itachi will run away and shit his pants faster than you can say 'Sasgay'...
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Theres a twist to all that you guys are arguing about, Itachi wants the kyuubis power and if he kills Naruto instantly then there goes the Kyubi, but if he tries to capture Naruto, Naruto might flip out and get super powered, so theres no way hes just gonna throw a kunai through his head even though he could
this argument is a little pointless though, obviously Naruto will become the strongest in the end, and even if he doesnt, Sasuke HAS to be the one to defeat Itachi
Well yeah, no one seems to be arguing that Itachi is going to try to kill Naruto, but they are arguing, and so am, that he could. So yeah, it's pointless cuz this fight is probably not gonna happen, but it's still something to argue about for anyone that feels like it. So maybe not so pointless.
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yea i guess, its just if they pitted Itachi against Naruto in the anime Naruto would either have to run away, almost die but then not die, get captured and then later escape, or win... cause Naruto isnt gonna die... but i suppose theoretically at this point if Itachi just felt like killing Naruto in an instant he could, but if he took his time it might be tough if Naruto released Kyuubis powers
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
dude, you're not getting it. naruto can't use enough kyubi power. ok? he couldn't even touch orochimaru at the forest of death and he hasn't learned any new special, significant techniques since that time so he isstill the same kid.Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
i think kyubi's healing powers would keep naruto's body alive. naruto cant defeat itachi, but kyubi easily can, and if it came to a fight naruto aka kyubi would win.
and naruto isn't AKA kyubi. more like AKA 1/10000 kyubi.
I think everyone should just agree with Mut@t@. sure Naruto has Kyubi's power in him but Kyubi doesn't have control weather or not his power comes out. that would mean that he can control Naruto whenever he wants...but he can't cause he's sealed. yeah i know people will say, "Naruto will ask for his power" or something like that but by the time Naruto thinks of that...he's dead. everyone should also forget the Naruto vs Itachi idea where Naruto can't win (RIGHT NOW). Naruto would have no chance. Itachi vs Kyubi..that's another story
All that talk about Sakura defeating Itachi's genjutsu attack is disturbing me. They seem to be setting her up for something awesome. I said this at some point before, but every genjutsu technique shown has been something reckon with (specially Itachi's and that total darkness used by the first). And on top of that, even though I don't seriously think that Sakura could actually beat the Mangekyou Sharingan, I do think that that "inner sakura" of her's is exactly the type of thing that, if it becomes more powerful, would defeat the technique. And yes, she noticed the sleep spell and dispelled it, and noticed the genjutsu at the beginning of the chuunin exam...they're going to make awesome, and it's making me sick to my stomach.
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LOL makes me sick too.... I dont think there really is a point to Sakura..... other than just a useless stalking ninja that I am happy isn't in the series as much anymore. Even though I thought at times they where going to give her moment to shine it went out quickly.Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
All that talk about Sakura defeating Itachi's genjutsu attack is disturbing me. They seem to be setting her up for something awesome. I said this at some point before, but every genjutsu technique shown has been something reckon with (specially Itachi's and that total darkness used by the first). And on top of that, even though I don't seriously think that Sakura could actually beat the Mangekyou Sharingan, I do think that that "inner sakura" of her's is exactly the type of thing that, if it becomes more powerful, would defeat the technique. And yes, she noticed the sleep spell and dispelled it, and noticed the genjutsu at the beginning of the chuunin exam...they're going to make awesome, and it's making me sick to my stomach.
Itachi...whilst i don't like him as much as i did Zabuza...is still without a doubt THE most powerful enemy introduced so far...i mean, come on! The guy single handedly wiped out the ENTIRE Uchiha clan bar Sasuke...and who knows, he may even have a summoning technique...i think ultimately Itachi will be killed....just wondering...will it be as depressing as the death of Zabuza? Afterall, family-killer or no family-killer, Itachi is sasuke's brother.
where has this been said in the anime? i dont remember that but maybe i missed it. if it was in the manga i really dont care since im talking about the anime only.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
just to let you guys know, if naruto's seal breaks, naruto dies from chakra overload.
i dont remember them ever saying that either. I mean it could happen I guess.
I guess I'll take my spin on this.
From what I understand the Kyubi is sealed meaning locked away inside Naruto, yet Naruto can obtain immense chakra from it. Naruto cannot summon Kyubi. If Naruto dies Kyubi dies, this was mentioned in the part where Jariaya throws Naruto down that waterfall/canyon. If Kyubi is somehow unsealed from Naruto, Naruto and most likely anyone near Naruto dies. Having said this, Itachi could and would kill Naruto in a blink of an eye. There is a reason Jariaya has to keep an eye on Naruto. If Naruto could handle himself Jariaya would be back working on his next volume of come come paradise.
I feel Garaa would easily be killed by Itachi as well.
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