Have we the manga readers been dooped?

[Insomniac]

you guys seriously overestimate Itachi

Itachi said that he could fight evening with Jiyaira but the only result could mean death to both of them (which is an acceptable result)

he also mentioned that no matter how many people helped it would still end up the same (thus showing the strength of jiyaira but still admitting that he would die)

they're just setting it up to be that Jiyaira and Itachi are even but Itachi does not want to die so he wont fight him all out.

one thing - just because Itachi is stronger then Oro (oh by the way in the anime it says 'now that is but a dream because he is stronger then me' when Oro has lost use of his arms 'now meaning i have no use of arms, itachi is stronger then me' but read it as you want to) doesnt mean that hes stronger then everyone at Oro's level.

THINK before you put everyone in the same category, personally i think that if Tsunade fought Itachi, Itachi would come out the loser as Tsunade doesnt use alot of jutsu and has amazing strength.

you have to remember that Itachi is still young while the legendary 3 are all LEGENDS FOR A REASON. Itachi might fight evenly with them but he is not stronger then them and definately not stronger then any former hokages.

one more thing, how are we to know that the manga translation was exactly what they were saying anyway?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Insomniac
you guys seriously overestimate Itachi

Itachi said that he could fight evening with Jiyaira but the only result could mean death to both of them (which is an acceptable result)

he also mentioned that no matter how many people helped it would still end up the same (thus showing the strength of jiyaira but still admitting that he would die)

they're just setting it up to be that Jiyaira and Itachi are even but Itachi does not want to die so he wont fight him all out.

one thing - just because Itachi is stronger then Oro (oh by the way in the anime it says 'now that is but a dream because he is stronger then me' when Oro has lost use of his arms 'now meaning i have no use of arms, itachi is stronger then me' but read it as you want to) doesnt mean that hes stronger then everyone at Oro's level.

THINK before you put everyone in the same category, personally i think that if Tsunade fought Itachi, Itachi would come out the loser as Tsunade doesnt use alot of jutsu and has amazing strength.

you have to remember that Itachi is still young while the legendary 3 are all LEGENDS FOR A REASON. Itachi might fight evenly with them but he is not stronger then them and definately not stronger then any former hokages.

one more thing, how are we to know that the manga translation was exactly what they were saying anyway?

i'd have to disagree on some parts. i don't think tsunade would win. i think she lacks speed. if kabuto was able keep up with her i mean... what should we think of her? and yeah, they are legends for a reason, but they are way past their primes. the only person i could see being closest to their prime is orochimaru since he's the only one focusing on staying as a ninja while others are wasting their lives away gambling or being a pervert. and itachi is going into his prime while the sannin are pretty much out of it.

[Stoopider]

Do not underestimate the old Fogeys [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

But then again, what age would be their prime? 20's? 30's? Experience have to account for something.

[Trunks420]

in which episode did Tsunade fight?

[Stoopider]

Manga. SHe haven't fought in the anime yet. Your in the 'Open Discussion' Area, so it's practically open to everything. Lots of spoilers here so take heed what you read.

[originalkrn]

There might be a chance for tsunade to beat itachi, but it will cost her most her life because she might be able to use that awesome regen skill.

[Insomniac]

we dont know how strong Kabuto really is so its not hard to believe he kept up with Tsunade, it was said alot earlier in the series that Kabuto and Kakashi were even but the fight with Tsunade showed differently (also Tsunade was only losing when Kabuto spread the blood on her)

[Mut]

like i said before... while orochimaru has been keeping himself in shape, jiraiya and tsunade have been wasting away doing stupid stuff. i wasn't surprised at all how kabuto was able to keep up with her.

[Nine Tailed Demon]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
like i said before... while orochimaru has been keeping himself in shape, jiraiya and tsunade have been wasting away doing stupid stuff. i wasn't surprised at all how kabuto was able to keep up with her.

Kabuto can't keep up with Tsunade, the only reason he was getting the best of her at that moment was because she was still shivering from the blood. As soon as she got over it, she was back at her legendary sanin level fighting Oro.

[Gods_Son]

Kabuto is clever, because of that he was able to keep up with her. It should be obvious by now, that cleverness also determines how good of a fighter you are.

[Kurapica]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
like i said before... while orochimaru has been keeping himself in shape, jiraiya and tsunade have been wasting away doing stupid stuff. i wasn't surprised at all how kabuto was able to keep up with her.

I agree with this, you can't expect to be on your best if you don't train intensively. Tsunade and Jiraiya should train like hell if they want to stay on top.

[Ryllharu]

Itachi is cool and all, and he definitely has a lot of jutsu, but he's just another sharigan user.

I think a lot of you have to realize that Naruto, Sasuke, and most of the others are young, and therefore not fully developed. OF COURSE Itachi could destroy most of them, his skills have basically been fully developed since he was 12.

They don't percieve Naruto as a threat because he has like FOUR jutsu's at that point.

I know I'm really getting off topic but, where has Udon (by the way, that is a name of a noodle) ever been mentioned in the manga? I've read them at least twice and never remember hearing about him ever. The only parts of Akatsuki(spelling?) that have been mentioned are that they're really powerful rogue ninjas, Sharkface and Itachi are members, and Orochimaru used to be. I know I must have missed the ENDLESS discussion threads about this before, but I'd appreciate if someone would enlighten me.

[Destroyor]

Udon is a joke, you wouldn't want to know. It's an old, feeble sad wind bag;it's not even funny anymore.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Originally posted by: DeluxSkillz
SPOILERS


i find it hard to believe that itachi and kisame vs jiraiya would mean certain death for itachi and kisame, because itachi is stronger then oro, but jiraiya coupled with tsunade had a hard time fighting oro so it doesn't make sense maybe in a one on one fight with jiraiya he could lose but not when he's coupled with kisame

Jiraiya was poisoned by Tsuande. Tsuande still had her intense fear of blood. Of course Oro couldn't use his arms, but thats why Oro and Kabuto could at least hold off on the other two sannins.

You'll notice that as soon as Tsuande got over her fear of blood, and Jiraiya was recovering from the poison, Kabuto and Oro fled.

[Mongoose]

Tsunade gave Orochimaru a pretty good smack upside the head after she got over her red-stuff phobia, too. I don't think he wanted to stick around after that. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Jiraiya and Itachi are at the same lvl imo, but itachi is like 18 and jiraiya is like 50..

But when they go 1on1 they both have equale chance of winning. Dont underestimate Jiraiya nor Itachi [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] they're both @ kage lvl

[PSJ]

this itachi discussion is just pointless it has been done so many times go to the manga forum and read the topic "uchiha itachi" if you really want to say anyhting say it after reading that. that topic covers pretty much every single thing about itachi.

[Knives122]

I still think even with His arms Oro couldnt beat Tsunade or Jiraiya, and Kabuto couldnt do much agaist them either, no matter how clever he is, b/c the poison and the fear of blood is what held them back and once they got over that Oro and Kabuto would have been grinded into dust

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Insomniac
you guys seriously overestimate Itachi

Itachi said that he could fight evening with Jiyaira but the only result could mean death to both of them (which is an acceptable result)

he also mentioned that no matter how many people helped it would still end up the same (thus showing the strength of jiyaira but still admitting that he would die)

they're just setting it up to be that Jiyaira and Itachi are even but Itachi does not want to die so he wont fight him all out.

one thing - just because Itachi is stronger then Oro (oh by the way in the anime it says 'now that is but a dream because he is stronger then me' when Oro has lost use of his arms 'now meaning i have no use of arms, itachi is stronger then me' but read it as you want to) doesnt mean that hes stronger then everyone at Oro's level.

THINK before you put everyone in the same category, personally i think that if Tsunade fought Itachi, Itachi would come out the loser as Tsunade doesnt use alot of jutsu and has amazing strength.

you have to remember that Itachi is still young while the legendary 3 are all LEGENDS FOR A REASON. Itachi might fight evenly with them but he is not stronger then them and definately not stronger then any former hokages.

one more thing, how are we to know that the manga translation was exactly what they were saying anyway?

i'd have to disagree on some parts. i don't think tsunade would win. i think she lacks speed. if kabuto was able keep up with her i mean... what should we think of her? and yeah, they are legends for a reason, but they are way past their primes. the only person i could see being closest to their prime is orochimaru since he's the only one focusing on staying as a ninja while others are wasting their lives away gambling or being a pervert. and itachi is going into his prime while the sannin are pretty much out of it.

I dont think that 50 is that old for a legendry nin and Oro said to the third that Oro would get killed if the hogake was 10 years younger and that would mean 70 years or so. So just because they are 50 doesnt mean that they are weaker when they were like 20 or 30 years old.

There is a very little chance that Jiraya is in a bad shape i dont think that he will stop training just beacause he is a pervet you have understand that the pervert thing is a cover for Jiraya cause who will think that a pervert would be the legendary toad ninja.

[Masamune]

Originally posted by: Insomniac
we dont know how strong Kabuto really is so its not hard to believe he kept up with Tsunade, it was said alot earlier in the series that Kabuto and Kakashi were even but the fight with Tsunade showed differently (also Tsunade was only losing when Kabuto spread the blood on her)

Originally posted by: Mut@t@like i said before... while orochimaru has been keeping himself in shape, jiraiya and tsunade have been wasting away doing stupid stuff. i wasn't surprised at all how kabuto was able to keep up with her.

i remeber kabuto taking a soldier pill, so that would drasticly help him,with keeping up