Chuunins?!

[CyberPunk]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Fine, let me try this. Who do you think deserves to be chuunin? Why?

in all honesty, i really don't feel that any of the current genins deserve an advancement. they all have fundamental flaws that would prevent them from being good team leaders



also, i wanna make something clear about the haku battle.; if haku would have been serious in the first place, both sasuke and naruto would have been annihilated. also, i'm sick of all this, "sasuke lost to haku, but naruto beat him so naruto is stronger". if you don't recall, sasuke was guarding naruto and defending haku's attacks as he was starting to read his movements with his newly discovered sharingan. sasuke ended up "losing" to haku because he took those needles that were meant for naruto to the chest.

[Assertn]

i dont get why the big emphasis of becoming a chuunin is leadership skills, personally......
in serious situations, like that big war that took place......pretty much everyone involved were chuunins and jounins......
whats the point in having a whole army of leaders?

i would think leadership is more important for anbu captains and jounins

[jing]

that is why it is better to develop leadership while you are gennin/chunnin, it will increase the promotion to jounins i guess.

[chambers]

well it was only implyed that they would pick somone wiht leadership qualitys over someone with raw fighting skill at the exam was it not? and i dont think they were specifically tlkaing abotu shika's leadership qualitys rather his ability to quickley think of a stratagey that makes him FAR more dangerous and vaulable. remeber 'the hardest hit is the one you dont see coming'

also it makes much more sense to assume that its a REQUIREMENT to posses leadership qualities in order to become a jounin, therefore knocking back somone at chunnin level who obvioulsy have such qualities would be detrimental to the clan. people often gain prmotions IRL because of promise they show, rather than current ability.

either wya you look at it it works fine.

[jing]

thats true because you don't want to be slowing your team down. so it would be even better if whole team posses leadership qualities so then in future they may lead a group of their own.

[Gods_Son]

Each Genin that made it to the finals had something they could offer a team, but almost none of them possessed the qualities necessary to lead a team.

[Stoopider]

Thats not true. I believe there are certain candidates that can lead a team. But to what extent of leadership, that can be questioned.

Naruto has proven it when going against Zabuza, in which he coordinated his attacks with Sasuke to free Kakashi from the water prison.

Hyuuga Neji. He was more or less commanding them all in the forest during the CHunnin exams.

I'm sure Shino can. I would think he was the brains of their team.

So is Ino. Stupid as she looks, she looks like she was the one pulling the strings keeping them alive. Either her or Shikamaru.

[ShinobiNeko]

I think Naruto is worthy of becomming a Chuunin, and I'm pretty sure especially so once the new Hokage is in place. Naruto may be dumb, but he makes up for it in other ways, and besides, if he didn't become Chuunin, then I guess we'd have to watch 40 more episodes of him going through the Chuunin test again -.-
As for some earlier posts...what in the world makes Sakure worthy of becoming a Chuunin??? She sucks. There is nothing about her at all that would make her qualified, I mean, she is way below Naruto, so if she is qualified to be a Chuunin, then Naruto is over qualified to be a Chuunin. Just because Sakura was on some A rank missions dosen't mean anything, she didn't do squat. Pretty much all she ever does is obsess over Sasuke. v_v If Sasuke obsession makes you qualified to become a Chuunin.... *shakes head*
And if Sakura becomes a Chuunin then pretty much ALL the other genins should be Chuunins too, because pretty much everyone else is stronger that her and more focused, I.E Shikamaru, Shino, Hinata, Rock Lee, TenTen etc.

[bitwar]

I don't think Naruto has the ability to lead. He has a great talent for inspiring people, but that's not leadership. He is a liability because he keeps charging forward without thinking. He gets caught in obvious traps. Sure he can get himself out of them because of his strength (and the strength of Kyubi that he learned to tap into), but that doesn't qualify him as a leader. He formulates some strategies, but they're almost all solo acts. And he only starts thinking after he's gotten himself (and sometimes others) into bad situations or made bad situations worse. He almost got Sasuke killed, and he survived only by the mercy of their enemy.

He's a great asset to any team I think. His perserverence/stubborness is an inspiration to those around him, and his strength and drive to protect those around him make him a very good ninja to have around. But his recklessness is a liability. Though he has been improving, I still don't think he has what it takes to be a leader yet. A little more time, and then he'll be ready I think. He has to be eventually because he has to become Hokage! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Uchiha Barles]

Oh wow. Fairness! In comparison to the other genin though, is he really lacking? The plan to beat Zabuza was a more or less team plan. And it was a team plan in a situation you can't really expect a low level genin to get out alive. Everything Naruto does is big and surprising because of the situations they happen in. I feel he deserves extra credit for them. Also, inspiration is a key leadership quality. None of the genin have all of the leadership qualities, and Naruto's no different. It's just that he's silly, and he's rash, and that seems to be blinding people to the fact that he's not be lacking anymore than anyone else. Also, I imagine the Chuunin class would spend lots of time on teaching leadership skills, since you don't really get an opportunity as a genin. So what they should be looking for is to see if the genin have the necessary potential to become a leader. Naruto's plans and ability to inspire show more potential than anyone else in my opinion.

[bitwar]

You have a point, but I think his recklessness is still too prevailing. Like I said, he's been geting better. Assuming that his recklessness wasn't factored in as heavily by the examiners as it was by me, the Konoha Genin who made it to the finals would probably all be candidates for Chuunin rank. Even the loner Sasuke, as he has started showing concern for others and a will to protect.

Of course this is all speaking in hypothetical terms, as the writer has the final and only say in what happens to these characters.

[Uchiha Barles]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I think. They've all shown something that makes them more or less deserving of the title.

[psychofusion]

i think that Naruto should definetly be a chunnin. you guys are right. he wouldnt be great without the Kyubi chakra, but Itashi wouldnt be so great without the Sharigan. Gaara would be nothing without the monster inside of him and his sand shield. Neji wouldnt be a amazing fighter without his Byakugen. So basically im saying it doesnt matter Naruto uses his ability (kyubi) to help him. If he didnt have anything he would still be better than Sakura.

[Rek]

you don't know that. He'd prolly be as fat as Choji from eating all that Ramen.

He trains because the village hates him, and he wants to be powerful for acknowlegement.... with out that driving them, and no kyuubi, he would have lower chakra, no stamina, really fat from the ramen, no ninja intelligence, (remember the 1st episode "catra")

And saying itachi wouldn't be that great is like saying jesus wouldn't be that great if he couldn't walk on water... because ITACHI IS JESUS! JEEEEEEEEEEEESSUS...

[Snidely]

Naruto - he's still not in full charge of his abilities and tends to stall (Zabuza, Haku, Garaa). What if, during one fight, there was nothing to get him started again?

He's got a good sense of tactics (he makes the most out of his techniques, as seen in Zabuza, Kiba, and Gaara fights). However, he prefers to charge in. He's not exactly stealthy, with a loudmouth and an orange outfit. He doesn't plan ahead, outside of battle. Again, he only inspires in the heat of battle. Outside, he's a joke, getting himself tangled up and treading in dog poop.

He has potential, but he isn't chuunin standard yet. Once he grows up a bit more, maybe.

Sasuke - he's strong, but the curse seal is a real liability. (Like when he faced that chump in the elimination battles, or against Garaa). Like Naruto, he's got a good sense of tactics (Survival training, Oro) but doesn't seem to plan ahead much either. He came up with the password in the woods, but that's it. Team 7 just seemed to run around, hoping to just run into people they could beat. Not the best plan.

Sakura - what a joke. She can't hold her own (she's never won a fight), she's obsessed with Sasuke, she has no decent moves, she's shown no skill in strategy or tactics, and usually gets in the way. She's been on A-class missions, true, but she was obviously way out of her depth in them. She's better off picking herbs and finding lost cats.

By the way, I always thought that it was unfair how they judge you for leadership skills in a one-on-one battle. The previous two tests don't seem to be considered at all, and the second test is the one that requires leadership skills.

[chambers]

She's better off picking herbs and finding lost cats.

LMAO

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Snidely
By the way, I always thought that it was unfair how they judge you for leadership skills in a one-on-one battle. The previous two tests don't seem to be considered at all, and the second test is the one that requires leadership skills.

well...true, leadership doesnt really mean much in 1v1....but i guess strategy could count at least
but if naruto and sasuke still end up becoming chuunin from this, then maybe it the 1v1s were to test your overall skill.....since a good leader has to be able to DO stuff in battle

[jing]

I think Naruto would make a good leader if he takes away all those flashy entrances and falling for simple traps, etc. But that wouldn't be fun now would it....
I think he is a good leader because he obviously saved Sakura and Sasuke from getting killed by Gaara. Therefore, his team has NOT been wiped out =P. and mission accomplished. made sasuke jealous.

fine leader... he has power too.

[Assertn]

too bad nobody saw his fight against gaara though, cept for sasuke [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[Catalyst]

I dont know what you guys think leadership is but I see leadership as the ability to motivate others to do their jobs effectivley.

I think Naruto would make a better leader than Shikamaru, shika's ideal job would be that of strategist. You put Naruto and Shika on the same team you've got Naruto's enthusiasm and motivation with Shika's smarts and tactics, give em some kick ass ninja's and they will beat the shit out of pretty much anything. Well thats my humble opnion anyway