I much prefer Shin Otaku's translation, which both makes it obvious that they are referring to Jiraiya and makes the much less controversial statement that fighting Jiraiya would "put their lives at risk". There is no way in Hell that the sentiment of definite death is the correct one.
itachi and kisame vs jiraiya = absolute death for itachi and kisame?
that's complete bullshit. even if it was itachi vs jiraiya (or any of the sannins) and kisame = absolute death for jiraiya and kisame, i still wouldn't believe it. there is no way someone is THAT strong right now. we're not far enough in the anime yet.
i think its just implying that jira has a chance at killing itachi, just like i think some people overeacted when oro said that itachi was stronger. it doesnt mean he IS stronger. lee states that neji is stronger but wants to fight and defeat him.
i think its more a case of probablitys, where theres a good chance that jira would seriously wound itachi and kisame should they fight, just like if oro fought itachi theres a good chance that no matter the ourcome, they could both not end up walking away with there lives.
i think it might have just been a mix up in the A&A translation, i really didnt notice when i watched the ep, i just figured they were talking about jiraiya, until i seen it on here is when i really noticed. itachi may be a match for jiraiya but he can probably beat him, id like to see naruto kick kisame's ass though.
no... you're wrong. there was no overreaction. orochimaru knows that itachi is stronger than him. someone who is so arrogant and supposed to have been the 4th wouldn't say something like that if it didn't mean anything.Originally posted by: chambers
i think its just implying that jira has a chance at killing itachi, just like i think some people overeacted when oro said that itachi was stronger. it doesnt mean he IS stronger. lee states that neji is stronger but wants to fight and defeat him.
i think its more a case of probablitys, where theres a good chance that jira would seriously wound itachi and kisame should they fight, just like if oro fought itachi theres a good chance that no matter the ourcome, they could both not end up walking away with there lives.
i think this is inane version (the AA version of mangas). even if it isn't inane, i've had different versions before but all of them are pretty similar in translations when orochimaru was talking about itachi. it kinda sucks how there is such inconsistancies in translations for the anime. and i can't even rely on translations from the anime cuz they add random stuff to it and translate it. there is no original source we can look back on and we don't know if kishimoto is involved in the new additions. i'm sure as long as it doesn't derail the storyline, the animators can add new scenes without kishimoto being involved.
and of course there is a good chance that jiraiya would mess up itachi and kisame. he is one of the sannins after all. but i'm not gonna trust the this translation: "Yes. If we both fought him, we would both be killed...or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change." said by itachi. it's impossible for someone to be THAT strong. and if for some reason he was THAT strong... wouldn't the 3rd have wanted to choose him as yondaime?
I suppose that just like now he wouldn't want to be hokage... He don't want now, why should he want back then ??
there's a possibility that Sandaime just knew that we was gonna refuse to be hokage either way OR he asked him if he would be new hokage but he refused to him, so orochimaru was next in line... well, after all, we can't tell, but that's also an option.
right now we know nothing about jiraiya's real power
I believe Itachi and Kisame's statements in reference to Jiraiya were slight mistranslations by A/A, what Orochimaru said wasn't.
I basically got the impression that they said that if they were to take on Naruto and the Kyuubi, they would lose their lives, but if they're lucky, they could take Naruto down with them. Then they mention Jiraiya is watching over him and that he's strong, but all stong people hav a weakness. So Itachi is not really worried about getting killed by Jiraiya, but Naruto and Kyuubi.
Well, I could be wrong, it's just a bit confusing atm
i have to disagree with you there ^^^^. its clear from the hokage/oro fight that it is very possible for two high level people to fight each other and suffer long term/permanet injurys or death. so i think thats what the translation meant ( i havent seen the AA one yet tho). it would be reasonable for itachi so say that because of the high level of jira it would be unreasonable to assume they could fight without suffering major damage, i think that is an obvious point.
also mutata you are saying its impossible for someone to be that strong as in beating itachi and kisame, yet you think its possible to assume that itachi could beat kakashi (he did and without breaking a sweat at that) gai, kurenai (almost the same as kakashi) and asuma? yet you think it cant be possible for a legendary ninja, student of the greatest ninja ever, to beat a younger genius ninja and (what i presume to be) one of th eseven best ninja of the mist village.
It cant be since Naruto cant even beat Kakashi. So how could he beat Itachi, its preety imposible for him right now.
chambers : Hasn't something like this already been discussed in the Itachi thread...?Originally posted by: chambers
i have to disagree with you there ^^^^. its clear from the hokage/oro fight that it is very possible for two high level people to fight each other and suffer long term/permanet injurys or death. so i think thats what the translation meant ( i havent seen the AA one yet tho). it would be reasonable for itachi so say that because of the high level of jira it would be unreasonable to assume they could fight without suffering major damage, i think that is an obvious point.
also mutata you are saying its impossible for someone to be that strong as in beating itachi and kisame, yet you think its possible to assume that itachi could beat kakashi (he did and without breaking a sweat at that) gai, kurenai (almost the same as kakashi) and asuma? yet you think it cant be possible for a legendary ninja, student of the greatest ninja ever, to beat a younger genius ninja and (what i presume to be) one of th eseven best ninja of the mist village.
Also about yer bottom statement. Makes sense i guess, but u cant really jump to conclusions seeing that we hav no idea how strong Jiraiya is.
The_Fourth : I'm talking about Naruto and Kyuubi. If Itachi really attempts to kill Naruto himself, he wouldnt need to break a sweat, but if he needed to manipulate the Kyuubi, that's a different story. Besides, i dont think Naruto would die so easily without letting the Kyuubi come out and wreck some havoc.
I'm pretty sure that the organization just wants Naruto's Kyuubi. So whether or not Naruto has to be alive is uncertain. They might need to perform some new jutsu that we haven't seen to extract the Kyuubi and then just toss Naruto aside. Or they might need to keep Naruto alive indefinately to use the Kyuubi's chakra.
I agree with you that Naruto wouldnt die as easy with Kyuubi chakra, but still he wouldnt represent too much trouble for Itachi.
i think if naruto was about to die by itachi's hand, the kyubi would take over and kick itachi's ass. but i think that was a mess up in the translation, it doesnt really make sense, i think they were talking about jiraiya. jiraiya would never let itachi beat up on naruto though, i think he can beat itachi.
it's possible, but it's not always gonna be a 100% chance that itachi will win against kakashi, gai, kurenai, and asuma. and where did i say that? i NEVER said that itachi can take on and beat all kakashi, gai, kurenai, and asuma at the same time. don't make up random stuff. i never said it's impossible for jiraiya or any of the sannins to beat itachi and kisame. i've stated it many times before, itachi is stronger than each of the sannins, but doesn't mean he over powers them by ten fold. never have i ever said that orochimaru or jiraiya didn't stand a chance against itachi. of course they all have a fair chance of beating itachi, but i can't see it happening since itachi isn't gonna lose til sasuke beats him in the end.Originally posted by: chambers
also mutata you are saying its impossible for someone to be that strong as in beating itachi and kisame, yet you think its possible to assume that itachi could beat kakashi (he did and without breaking a sweat at that) gai, kurenai (almost the same as kakashi) and asuma? yet you think it cant be possible for a legendary ninja, student of the greatest ninja ever, to beat a younger genius ninja and (what i presume to be) one of th eseven best ninja of the mist village.
the only thing to conclude from the text is that jira is either stronger or at the same level as itachi. we know from his own admission (although that doesnt mean the truth) that jira is stronger than kisame.
Kisame's only about the level of Zabuza/Kakashi. I say that because he's one of the strongest of the Mist, just like Zabuza was before he became a missing-nin.
It could be possible that Itachi and Kisame were referring to the Kyuubi when they said they'd be defeated and at best die along with him. Unless someone retranslates it, we'll never know what they truly meant.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
I'm going to skirt around the issue as best I can, due to spoilers, but I am absolutely sure that whatever Itachi's comments were (whether just expressing trouble or a fact of death), they were directed at Jiraiya.
I think they need to have Naruto to be alive to extract Kyuubi because if Naruto's dies, Kyuubi dies. (in theory) Otherwise, Kyuubi wouldn't give power to Naruto if Naruto being in danger didn't mean that Kyuubi be in danger.Originally posted by: Everon
I'm pretty sure that the organization just wants Naruto's Kyuubi. So whether or not Naruto has to be alive is uncertain. They might need to perform some new jutsu that we haven't seen to extract the Kyuubi and then just toss Naruto aside. Or they might need to keep Naruto alive indefinately to use the Kyuubi's chakra.
i'm pretty disappointed the words: "Naruto is better than me" didn't force out of Sasuke's mouth.
god dammit just admit it
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