Music: HIP HOP!!!

[shadowmantis]

ah, i was going for something else [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] like saying they're talking about the same stuff as other rappers, only in a different, more thought provoking way.

twist.. hmm.. damnit, but i can't remember the name of the song. it's on nas' "i am.." album, where he goes on about catching his girl cheat on him, and it gets out of hand at the end. that's a great album, first cd i ever bought. hehe, i'm oldschool with tapes.
also, again, wu tang's "tearz"
gravediggaz - diary of a madman
warren g - regulate
maybe dmx - stop being greedy? hm, maybe not. good song, either way

edit:
got it, it's nas - undying love

yet another edit:
speaking of original, anyone know 'secret wars' by last emperor?

[SK]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis

listen, this thread isnt about your favorite rapper vs someone else's favorite rapper. you can like whoever the hell you want just like the next person. i dont wanna hear your dumbass comin in here tryin to start shit like that. you cant try to force people to like what you like.

this is a thread about hiphop. if you read what i write, you'd notice that i'm comparing the old music to the new one. can you point me to a post where i was acting like you are right now? if you haven't noticed 'imo' that i put in almost every post, it means 'in my opinion'. also, there was disclaimer about not having to read it, in my previous post (about 'my favorite rapper').

and to make it perfectly clear, i'm not starting anything. on discussion board, you discuss the topic. not just post 'yeah hiphop ruuullzzzz!!!'. i respect everyone's likings, and i merely state how >i feel< about the same rapper. you're not open for my opinion. i'd prefer if you try to avoid reading my posts, and vice versa, until you chill.

mut@t@ - very true. but, i think the quality of the message is also important. i mean, kids listen to this. isn't it better if they hear proper grammar and stuff, instead of slang and a curse word ever 3 seconds? i'm all for good messages, but 'P.I.M.P.' doesn't really carry one, does it? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

and xollence - amen.

lol man ofcourse i didnt read your long as hell rants, just skimmed through. and to me it looked like you were comparing one rapper's lyrcis to anothers, which is why i said rapper vs rapper, because thats how you came off to me. i am chill, so please dont tell me to chill because thats just straight up annoying. also do you only listen to music that has a 'message'? i dont, i listen to all sorts of rap, i dont expect every song on an album to have a message, i like to hear funny shit like P.I.M.P. too. to me a rapper shouldent care if a kid might hear his song, he writes to express himself anyway he wants. if the parent isnt there to regulate what their kid is listening to then thats not the rappers fault its just not his responsibility. you can cleary see a PARENTS ADVISORY warning on the album. proper grammar? are you serious? to me, i dont want to hear no bs, i listen to rap because its real, inspiring, and i can relate to it.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
mut@t@ - very true. but, i think the quality of the message is also important. i mean, kids listen to this. isn't it better if they hear proper grammar and stuff, instead of slang and a curse word ever 3 seconds? i'm all for good messages, but 'P.I.M.P.' doesn't really carry one, does it? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

that's why they have the EXPLICIT LYRICS sticker on the cd's. if the dumbass kids somehow convince their even more dumbass parents to buy that album for them and the kids cry about the bad words, then oh well. sucks to be them. like i said, i don't really care about the music lately. i am with you about it being only about 20's, hoes, money, and other crap. like i said, 90's was when rap music was at its best.

and btw, who cares about proper grammar. let the rappers talk which ever way they want to speak. as long as i can understand it, i have no problem with it.

[shadowmantis]

well, you bring up a lot of new subjects.
the message.. it's not about 'a higher good' or something really smart that some guy says in a song that attracts me. when 'artists' are trying to get something across, i'd rather have them back it up with decent and intelligent lyrics, than use slang that only proves they haven't finished college. i suppose you like 'thug' and ganksta style, where you hear about the streets and life in the ghetto. see, i do too. but if i hear it in broken english, it loses all value to me. of course, i like the easy listening, more innocent songs. but i have talib kweli, for example. the guy is witty, sharp, smart and not caught up in pimping ho's and stuff. i'd hear a club song from time to time, yeah. but most of the time, something with a message, as you put it, can inspire me a lot better. i can't draw any inspiration from, let's say, "wankster".
i'll see if i can expain why i don't like cursing. the state of music today is, in my HUMBLE opinion, terrible. i'm at work, at 10am, and i hear 'fuck you, you ho, i dont want you back' on radio. i wouldn't mind that song, if they didn't play it in the middle of the day. everyone knows only teens and younger people watch mtv, vh1 and other music channels, yet they keep uncensoring things. it's dumbing people down, you have kids running around, acting stupid and disrespecting older people and other people's property. i just feel like it's bad influence, as simple as that. i have a younger sister, and she's into r&b and hiphop and whatever. i don't want her to run around half naked, because tv told her lil kim is perfect and she should be like her.
it probably sounds like i'm getting old, but it's just that i saw hiphop when it was starting, and it was very different. i don't like the change to all this cursing and idolizing. i don't know, maybe you just haven't heard the groups i listen to?

that's why they have the EXPLICIT LYRICS sticker on the cd's. if the dumbass kids somehow convince their even more dumbass parents to buy that album for them and the kids cry about the bad words, then oh well. sucks to be them.

is there a parental advisory sticker on your tv? or your radio? or magazine? i really don't care about how they express theirselves, but about hearing that stuff in the middle of the day. does anyone have any decensy left nowadays?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
is there a parental advisory sticker on your tv? or your radio? or magazine? i really don't care about how they express theirselves, but about hearing that stuff in the middle of the day. it's common courtesy, does anyone have any decensy left nowadays?

real quick: when people buy tv's, radios, and mags, they are completely responsible for the content that comes with it. if they want to live in a sheltered life then they can live like that family from blast from the past.

i dunno know what radios and magazines (i don't listen to the radio and i don't buy mags), but tv's they have the rating on the top right (left?) corner. it doesn't stay there throughout the whole program but it's shown during the opening intro and right after the program returns from commercial. i don't know if there are other ways of doing that but it's all up to whoever's in charge of it to show the us the rating without spending more money on it... so i'm not gonna talk about that. but why do you bring up common courtesy? if a child is flipping through channels and hears a cuss word or reference to someone getting shot and cries about it, why should anyone but besides the kid and the parent take blame? the parents should know that there are this kind of stuff on tv so they should tell their kid not to watch it and use a feature on their tv to block off channels. if they don't have that feature, then no tv for kids. i think it ultimately comes down to bad parenting and the kids being stupid.

and dude, if someone (not talking about your baby sis) is running around half naked just because tv told her lil kim was prefect and she should be like her, that girl is an IDIOT. she should have more common sense, be a TINY bit more strong minded and have some self esteem. if she is a young girl, then her parents should do something about it instead of bitching at the tv for their kid turning out all screwed up. HEY PARENTS, SOMETIMES IT'S YOUR'S AND YOUR CHILD'S FAULT TOO. the parents are sooo scared of being labled 'bad parents' that they can't even fathom the idea that they fucked up on some things. there are no perfect parents so they should learn from their dumb mistakes and learn to correct it. not only that, the parents are always like 'oh, my child can't be messed up, she's perfect and i'm sure this rebellious rap/rock/etc culture has jacked her up.' no, you stupid parents... there is a slight chance that your child is a fuck up straight out of the womb. and dude, you make it sound like cuss words aren't censored (besides bitch/ass).

NOTE: i'm not trying to flame people or anything. i am a jolly man.

[aduka]

in the videogame "true crime streets of la" whats the name of the rap song where they say bitch ass nigga?

[SK]

ill tell you suttin right now, all my little cousins listen to hip hop and love it, and listen to unedited cds. and none of them are walkin around swearing or any shit like that. why? it always comes down to the parents, my aunts/uncles let them listen to rap, just like they do, but that doesnt mean theyll let my cousins swear and disrespect older people. theyre young right now, so theyll be learning swears anyway, just like everybody does. you complaining about swearing in rap is just dumb, for one you dont have to listen to it, if you dont like what they play on the radio pop in a cd of what you like.

[shadowmantis]

okay, we're drifting away from the topic. i think i'm either not expressing myself good, or you're not getting my point.


anyway, i heard some great reviews about some british guy that calls himsed streets or something.. from my metal friends O_O i guess i'll have to check him out

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis

Originally posted by: chambers
i was turning it on its head. i never said it was cool. i said it was original. and it was. to be original it doesnt have to have an original story, just be told in an original way.

it's a cover of dido's song.

i thought i heard somewhere that the stan song came before dido's addition to it

anyway yeah, that song annoys me....but i actually dont have anything against most of eminem's music

[aduka]

nobody knows? or should i make a new topic?

[chambers]

AF the song and lyrics came b4, the tune was sampled before it was recorded properly or so i heard.

shadow mantis how the hell does enlarging a persons vocabulary make them dumber? slang is no worse than proper english, there is NOTHING wrong with slang at all.

and also i have to argue with mutata of course it influences you, why just last night i jacked a n***** in a benz with 40's

[Jman]

Originally posted by: aduka
nobody knows? or should i make a new topic?

I haven't played True Crimes SOLA as yet so I'm not sure about the song there but I think Mobb Deep did a song called "Bitch ass n...."

[SK]

lol i havent played it either but thats not really a good discription, 'whats the name of the song where they say bitch ass n****,' doesnt really narrow it down much.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: chambers
AF the song and lyrics came b4, the tune was sampled before it was recorded properly or so i heard.

shadow mantis how the hell does enlarging a persons vocabulary make them dumber? slang is no worse than proper english, there is NOTHING wrong with slang at all.

and also i have to argue with mutata of course it influences you, why just last night i jacked a n***** in a benz with 40's

which song and lyrics? eminem's or dido's?

edit: er yeah thats right.....now i remember

[chambers]

em wrote his lyrics before the song was put to a beat. his producer heard dido and wanted to have her singing the chourus.

[oceen246]

Lyricaly impetuous,
my flow's so tight, it make me look pretentious,
niggas hate on me, I feel them for being jealous,
my style is recognized as dangerous,
hit niggas brain like weed, a stimulus.

I've been out of the game for a while,
trynna survive, straighten up my life.
for rappers, wut I did is just vile,
they'd get at me, make it a strife.

I took care of da beef quick,
pulled out my gat, my nine,
and blasted da nigga in da thigh,
best way to make a nigga wanna cry.

When the slug comes out the gun,
it goes through flesh like butter and burn.
if shit's popping, my whole crew's coming,
y'all know I ain't playin when y'all see my duns.

Ben, Ali, Melvin, and all my niggas be like 40 deep
from harlem, through da bronx, to brooklyn,
niggas gotta be stupid to think they could come against me.
When y'all hear da name oceen, y'all know da deal.

[Samanosuke]

...
none of you know anything about underground hip hop - fact, and your opinions on mainstream are garbage.

2pac didnt suck. he was one of the best to ever do it. - not many rappers have half the content in their entire careers as one pre-mortem 2pac album. me against the world is possibly the best cd ever made.

Jay-Z is good, quit hatin. reasonable doubt is untouchable. and most of his other cds are good too.

eminem is highly over-rated. hes basically ICP now.
he had 1 good mainstream cd, and that was his "debut" release which was basically a modified version of his underground EP with some dre songs on it, and his underground EP was just a bunch of singles he put out over a couple years all put together on one cd. his "re-inventions" of himself all get worse and worse with every album. thats the thing about rappers - you dont re-invent yourself for every cd, you have your schtick, and you stick with it till the end. his last cd was absolute garbage.

ALL southern rap doesnt suck. TI is possibly one of the best rappers out right now, its too bad hes in jail so he cant promote his shit or put out a follow up. seriously, 24's was made for commercial success, rubberband man is a good song if you listen to the lyrics, and the rest of his CD is damn good.

Mos Def is Most Deffinetely the best rapper in it right now. if you dont like mos def, then you are gay.
hes got to be the only emcee i ever heard who can be consistantly conscience without being whiney. he can freestyle over any beat, has the most versatile style, tight lyrics and metaphores, and he has good beats. check out "respiration" - one of the most metaphorical and socially aware songs made without being gay or militant. and he does it on a regular basis.



as far as underground hip hop goes, none of you know anything about it. the only underground artists your gonna see on tv are blackstar - jurrasic 5 isnt underground, the black eyed peas isnt underground, triple 6 mafia isnt underground.
underground is def jux records.
underground is eastern conference records.
underground is defari, the barbershop emcees, and dilated peoples(evidence killed eminem on searching for bobby fisher)
the thing about it is, theres way too many artists too even mention to list for REAL underground. not that fake commercial shit you hear on your radios and see on mtv claiming to be underground.
underground is pretty much just rappers who dont have the lyrics to appeal to a commercial audience, not the lack of talent to appeal. hence underground.

if you like ANY puff daddy, nelly, chingy, cash money or other bullshit bling bling non-rappin ass rappers then you dont need to be posting in this thread.
i dont know if any of you have actually been in a street where any of this stuff actually goes down, so let me tell you - swearing and slang are more than just lyrics in a song, bitching about it in songs that come from people who grew up in these places, and are talking about their lifes or telling storys about said places is just retarded, and you should smack your retarded self right now.
(pause for you to smack yourself)
now that thats done, realize this - that half nakedness and bad language you dont like is common place in actual streets, your pissed because you see this happening to people you know - but its been that way in places like whitehaven and orange mound for about 3 or 4 decades now. your hero talib kweli came from the same shit, he just says it in a different way - thats his choice. he's anti-cycle, most rappers are pro-cycle because its been good to them. some rappers are split on it (TI, 2pac).
you just dont know your hip-hop.
end rant.

edit - i forgot to mention, bone thugs sucks.

[shadowmantis]

yeah, ganksta, thanks for educatin uzzz. we be smrtr now

[oceen246]

I don't disagree with you Samanosuke, but if you read all the posts, you will see that most of what you said, was already said. That's why I'm not even interested in putting my voice in this, because it's just gon keep going in circle. But I do have to say this though, you can't judge people for what they like, I mean, you take Biggie, 2pac, jay-z, cam'ron, DMX, mosdef (not even mosdef, blackstar), and a whole bunch of other,....., what they say or used to say in their lyrics is so true that people who through the shit they're talking about can identify themself in it. Now, if a person can't identify him/herself in it, then they gon be like wtf they talking about, and they will tend to like other kinds of rap.

edit:

Originally posted by: Samanosuke
you should smack your retarded self right now.
(pause for you to smack yourself)

I like that, haha

[SK]

that was a rant i didnt mind readin Samanosuke, i basically agree with what u said. but remember everyone got different opinions on music, but your wrong, TI is wack. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]