mutata, hes the most overated rapper of all time, hes not the best at anything, no flow, no style, no interesting lyrics, no amazing delivery heck his tunes are not even that good. basically being shot was the best thing that EVER happend to rap. that sounds harsh but it propelled it into a nothe rlevel in terms of world regocnition.
P.S i DO NOT mean that him dying was a good thing, i mean it was a good thing for rap.
if those words can come out of your mouth, then you don't even know what rap is. the thing about 2pac that made him so popular and great was not his actual rapping ability (i can say that others are better), but the way he delivered his lyrics in such a powerful way. hearing you say this kind of stuff makes me think that the 2pac songs you've heard of are: changes, cali love, and thug mansion.Originally posted by: chambers
mutata, hes the most overated rapper of all time, hes not the best at anything, no flow, no style, no interesting lyrics, no amazing delivery heck his tunes are not even that good. basically being shot was the best thing that EVER happend to rap. that sounds harsh but it propelled it into a nothe rlevel in terms of world regocnition.
P.S i DO NOT mean that him dying was a good thing, i mean it was a good thing for rap.
EDIT: chambers, tell me which albums you have. and nwa and 2pac were totally different generations man... nwa is the founder of gangster rap. you don't compare anyone with them. and no, he did not pretend to be a gangster... everyone else did and does, 2pac is as real as it gets.
yeah sure, ive got a few albums. the reason he was so good was because he pretended to be a gangster and did it with style. you compare him to a group like the NWA ( i know a bit unfair they were a group) and see who has the better or more hard hitting lyrics.
ive been listening to rap for a very VERY long time.
i think its cool to write a song about people who are obsessed with you and kill their girlfriends for youOriginally posted by: chambers
eminem is the single most wasted talent in the entire history of rap. he has the biggest audience and does NOTHING with it. he needs to take a leaf out of mos def's book. he could do a serious song and it would still sell millions. the last time he tried somtihg original was stan and isnt that the biggest selling em song?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
yeah thats what i mean, the first tim ei heard the song i was like hey this is good stuff. but other than that its all the same.
I think he was being sarcastic. Stan is just as bad as any other Eminem song.
i was turning it on its head. i never said it was cool. i said it was original. and it was. to be original it doesnt have to have an original story, just be told in an original way.
i must agree that Pac is easily one of the greatist rappers of all time, he is my favorite, just his voice, his lyrics, his style. im one of those huge Pac fans that wish he wasnt dead, and im glad he keeps coming out with new albums, shit i still listen to all his old stuff. i heard he has 2 more cds coming out, then theyre releasing a huge box set of all his albums. i also cant go with all this shit about rappers now not having street cred, this is obviously not true except for ja rule and some others, but everyone i listen to isnt frontin. (Jay Z, DMX, Nas, K West, Pac, BIG, to name a few)
it's a cover of dido's song.Originally posted by: chambers
i was turning it on its head. i never said it was cool. i said it was original. and it was. to be original it doesnt have to have an original story, just be told in an original way.
well done for stating the incredibly obvious.....................
like i said being original in one aspect is enough to make something original.
how is a cover original?
(edit: please, if you're gonna tell me he's the best rapper of all time and call me a noob, save your fingers.)
i think you need to re-read what i wrote, i actually said that "eminem is the single most wasted talent in the entire history of rap".
so you can take it from that i dont think hes some kind of god. what i was saying is that stan is probly the single original song and its his best by miles because the way he choses to deliver it is unique and original, its like a book with a twist in the end.
i see. i guess if you look at it from that angle, it looks original. how i see it, is that he keeps bitching about being too famous all the time, and can't stop talking about it. it's either something concerning his fame, or mother. so the song didn't strike me as original. i do see your point.
yeah theres a lot of rap songs about obsessive fans.
(sarcasm btw for the kids who take everything literally)
it's just another form of showing he's an icon of todays pop culture.
read.
Fusion of the five elements, to search for the higher intelligence. Women walk around celibate, living irrelevant. The most benelovent king, communicatin through your dreams. Mental pictures been painted, Allah's heard and seen everywhere; Throughout your surroundin atmosphere, troposphere, thermosphere, stratosphere. Can you imagine - from one single idea, everything appeared here. Understanding makes my truth crystal clear. Innocent black immigrants locked in housing tenemants. Eighty-Five percent tenants depend on welfare recipients. Stapleton's been stamped as a concentration camp, at night I walk through, third eye is bright as a street lamp. Electric microbes, robotic probes taking telescope pictures of globe. Babies getting pierced with microchips stuffed inside their earlobes, then examinated, blood contaminated, vaccinated, lives fabricated. Exaggerated authorization, Food and Drug Administration testing poison in prison population. My occupation to stop the innauguration of Satan. Some claim that it was Reagan, so I come to slay men like Bartholemew. 'cause every particle and physical article, was diabolical to the last visible molecule. A space night like Rom, consume planets like Unicron, blasting photon bombs from the arm like Galvatron.
United Nations, gun fire style patient, formulating rap plural acapella occupation. Conquer land like Napoleon, military bomb fest. We want sanitary food, planetary conquest. Thug peoples on some hardco' body shit, get your shit together 'fore the fuck Illuminati hit. Dreams is free in escape of sleep for a fool, peep jewels, keep tools for tough time. The rule of rough mind, elevate, stay behind. The sun gotta shine, keep on, cremate the whole Babylon. Time's up - move on. Kings on your pawn, checkmate. No fakes opposed through the gate, case closed. Things get froze, when it comes time. Chosen ones were holding guns. We take flight with no fright and attack. Never fear cause our words is clear. What's been done can't be undone, Son. We can't care 'cause the last days and times are surely here. Snakes and flakes get blown by the rightous ones. Divine minds bind, we unified as one. Half of black hope, we half broke. Smoke a bowl of weed, shit. Our everlastin answers stay flying over Egypt.
Bashing the system for ignoring the poverty and corruption in bigger cities, and overall controlling the public. All that without using 'dog', 'streets', '9 milli', the 'N' word, 'fucking cops/pigs', 'bitch', 'ain't', and such.
THAT, <u>imo</u>, is original - and worth listening to.
..then i hear something like this, and get anrgy at the whole damn humanity for letting this crap go this far.
listen, this thread isnt about your favorite rapper vs someone else's favorite rapper. you can like whoever the hell you want just like the next person. i dont wanna hear your dumbass comin in here tryin to start shit like that. you cant try to force people to like what you like.
why does it matter if someone else raps that with saying bitch, fuck, n-bomb, ho, and/or glock? does it make any less meaningful? absolutely not. as long as you get your message across, i'm ok with it.Originally posted by: shadowmantis
it's just another form of showing he's an icon of todays pop culture.
read.
Fusion of the five elements, to search for the higher intelligence. Women walk around celibate, living irrelevant. The most benelovent king, communicatin through your dreams. Mental pictures been painted, Allah's heard and seen everywhere; Throughout your surroundin atmosphere, troposphere, thermosphere, stratosphere. Can you imagine - from one single idea, everything appeared here. Understanding makes my truth crystal clear. Innocent black immigrants locked in housing tenemants. Eighty-Five percent tenants depend on welfare recipients. Stapleton's been stamped as a concentration camp, at night I walk through, third eye is bright as a street lamp. Electric microbes, robotic probes taking telescope pictures of globe. Babies getting pierced with microchips stuffed inside their earlobes, then examinated, blood contaminated, vaccinated, lives fabricated. Exaggerated authorization, Food and Drug Administration testing poison in prison population. My occupation to stop the innauguration of Satan. Some claim that it was Reagan, so I come to slay men like Bartholemew. 'cause every particle and physical article, was diabolical to the last visible molecule. A space night like Rom, consume planets like Unicron, blasting photon bombs from the arm like Galvatron.
United Nations, gun fire style patient, formulating rap plural acapella occupation. Conquer land like Napoleon, military bomb fest. We want sanitary food, planetary conquest. Thug peoples on some hardco' body shit, get your shit together 'fore the fuck Illuminati hit. Dreams is free in escape of sleep for a fool, peep jewels, keep tools for tough time. The rule of rough mind, elevate, stay behind. The sun gotta shine, keep on, cremate the whole Babylon. Time's up - move on. Kings on your pawn, checkmate. No fakes opposed through the gate, case closed. Things get froze, when it comes time. Chosen ones were holding guns. We take flight with no fright and attack. Never fear cause our words is clear. What's been done can't be undone, Son. We can't care 'cause the last days and times are surely here. Snakes and flakes get blown by the rightous ones. Divine minds bind, we unified as one. Half of black hope, we half broke. Smoke a bowl of weed, shit. Our everlastin answers stay flying over Egypt.
Bashing the system for ignoring the poverty and corruption in bigger cities, and overall controlling the public. All that without using 'dog', 'streets', '9 milli', the 'N' word, 'fucking cops/pigs', 'bitch', 'ain't', and such.
THAT, <u>imo</u>, is original - and worth listening to.
..then i hear something like this, and get anrgy at the whole damn humanity for letting this crap go this far.
Yeah I agree, but lately a lot of the hip hop songs have no meaning, just a bunch of swearing that rhythms.
this is a thread about hiphop. if you read what i write, you'd notice that i'm comparing the old music to the new one. can you point me to a post where i was acting like you are right now? if you haven't noticed 'imo' that i put in almost every post, it means 'in my opinion'. also, there was disclaimer about not having to read it, in my previous post (about 'my favorite rapper').listen, this thread isnt about your favorite rapper vs someone else's favorite rapper. you can like whoever the hell you want just like the next person. i dont wanna hear your dumbass comin in here tryin to start shit like that. you cant try to force people to like what you like.
and to make it perfectly clear, i'm not starting anything. on discussion board, you discuss the topic. not just post 'yeah hiphop ruuullzzzz!!!'. i respect everyone's likings, and i merely state how >i feel< about the same rapper. you're not open for my opinion. i'd prefer if you try to avoid reading my posts, and vice versa, until you chill.
mut@t@ - very true. but, i think the quality of the message is also important. i mean, kids listen to this. isn't it better if they hear proper grammar and stuff, instead of slang and a curse word ever 3 seconds? i'm all for good messages, but 'P.I.M.P.' doesn't really carry one, does it? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
and xollence - amen.
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Originally posted by: shadowmantis
naw man thats what people call cliched. its not original to talk about poor people. name me another song with a twist in it?Bashing the system for ignoring the poverty and corruption in bigger cities, and overall controlling the public. All that without using 'dog', 'streets', '9 milli', the 'N' word, 'fucking cops/pigs', 'bitch', 'ain't', and such.
THAT, imo, is original - and worth listening to.
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