Music: HIP HOP!!!

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: oceen246

Originally posted by: hiddenpookie
Bone thugz are very good they have one of the fastest rappers i have ever heard of. I like lil flip Gameover.
Tupac 98% of all songs i like them all. D12 is alright. wow u guys got to check out the songs of Nas in '94

Twista is the fastest rapper ever though, he was in the guinness world record book

Yes toungue twista is the fastest rapper. I heard him freestyle once and could not believe it.

Anyway, I am not into mainstream rap or I should say Crap with all the bling bling and shit.

I like old school like Tribe called quest, Cypress Hill, Naughty By Nature, Ghetto Boyz, EPMD, Wu-tang, Bone Thugz is good too!
And as for new rappers I like The roots, J5, and Mos Def.

And what's with this Tupac is the best rapper bullshit?? He is good but there are plenty better IMO.
Check out some of the aforementioned.

Yay! I became Genin! O_o

[r3n]

i love beastie boys, cypress hill nd some others.

beastie boys are jst immense tho [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] new single (ch-check it out) is so good, had it playing on repeat for ages now lol

cant wait for them to tour this summer with new album release

[SK]

Twista's album is alright, the first 2 songs are real good, and the ones produced by Kanye, but then it goes downhill from there. i live in florida now (i used to live in ma so im mostly into east coast rap) and all they play is this southern garbage, all they rap about is 24s, money, and hoes. i know they do in almost all rap but people like Kanye, Jay Z, Tupac etc etc always have almost all real lyrics on their albums except for a couple songs. i cant stand southern rap, it all sounds the same, and its too dam hot down here!

[shadowmantis]

hardly any of those are worth buying [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
i think philly has the best hiphop known to man

[Uzumaki Naruto]

thats why u dled, itr free, unless u get caught the ur f*&%

[shadowmantis]

i don't know if i should make fun of the way you type [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

nah, i love having original albums. makes me feel better, and more honest about liking the band/rapper/group/blah. my point was, there's much better hiphop than jay-z and (*shiver*) d12

[SK]

well im not really into underground. i listen to mixtapes and all that, but i like to listen to people who have made it. im not saying theres people out there who werent good or even great, but to make it in the rap game you need to have the lyrics, the voice, and most of all the drive. D12 is a joke i dont like them no more they spend way to much time being funny instead of spitting real shit.

[chambers]

jay-z is the best. there can be no other.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: chambers
jay-z is the best. there can be no other.

Jay-Z is Lame-O ;-p

But seriously I am not into commercial rap more old school and underground.

And I forgot to mention I like early Beastie Boys specailly the album Paul's Boutique.

[SK]

i like Jay Z, i mean really think about what he does, he doesnt even need to write he does his verse in one take right in the studio. but the black album was nothing compared to the blueprint 2

[GLS]

I may be part of a small crowd that starting to see rap as recycled crap TODAY. I must stress the word today because its much different than Run DMC or Kool and the Gang or Jurassic 5. MUCH DIFFERENT.

These days, its usually 3-4 guys comin out rapping on an individuals album. everysong on someone like Ludacris's album features mystikal or lil' john or someone of that nature. They rap about the same things, such as big bootys, bling, and hatas drinkin hatarade and recycled crap like that. While its ok to have 1 or 2 songs featuring another rapper/R&B artist, dont fill the whole CD with it.

Eminem raps with emotion. He tells a story when he raps. Sure it may be strongly violent, but at least it has heart, unlike 95% of rap these days. I understand that Eminem is a part of D12, but I dont like D12 nearly as much as I like Eminem, the solo rapper.

50 cent was decent, but the "I got shot 9 times" angle got old fast, then he came out with G-Unit. Great, more crap.

Some ignorant idiots may jump to the conclusion that I'm a racist, and that I like the white guy as opposed to all black guys. My main thing with RAP music is material, and Eminem has reinvented himself in each album.

Hopefully, I've opened a whole new can of worms to the discussion here. Not talking from an artist standpoint, but from an overall perspective.

[Mut]

rap was at its best in the 90's.

[ad4mz41]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
rap was at its best in the 90's.

True that.

[SK]

yeah the best rappers were in the 90s, Dre, Pac, Biggie, but lets give the 2000s a chance too [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
now question for gaaralovessand is, did you start listening to hip hop before or after Eminem came out? i like Em too, but even i gotta admit he is starting to get repetitive, but i gotta wait till his next album to see. i think old school rap is ok, i grew up in the 90s, so im more into east coast gangsta rap. i really hate southern rap though, its garbage, i agree all they talk about is bling bling, 24s, and getting crunk.

[chambers]

eminem is the single most wasted talent in the entire history of rap. he has the biggest audience and does NOTHING with it. he needs to take a leaf out of mos def's book. he could do a serious song and it would still sell millions. the last time he tried somtihg original was stan and isnt that the biggest selling em song?

[GLS]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
yeah the best rappers were in the 90s, Dre, Pac, Biggie, but lets give the 2000s a chance too [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
now question for gaaralovessand is, did you start listening to hip hop before or after Eminem came out? i like Em too, but even i gotta admit he is starting to get repetitive, but i gotta wait till his next album to see. i think old school rap is ok, i grew up in the 90s, so im more into east coast gangsta rap. i really hate southern rap though, its garbage, i agree all they talk about is bling bling, 24s, and getting crunk.

apparently you didnt notice that I mentioned the likes of RUN DMC among other groups that formed hip-hop and brought it mainstream. I like Dr. Dre, but never cared all that much for Pac or Biggie Smalls.

I will say that I'm a person who likes all types of music. I could listen to Eminem, and then play some Staind or Blink 182 or even John Mayer. But I've been aware of the rap game long enough to make a fair opinion about it.

[shadowmantis]

i used to love dr dre when i was like 14. this was in the days of chronic. it hurt to see him drop the signature west coast style and do more commercial stuff after that album. same goes for snoop dogg. i don't know, maybe i just don't like high profile music? i never liked 2pac. i always thought he was boring. same goes for biggie. i think their 'duel' made them bigger rappers than they were.

i need to get something off my chest, you don't have to read

- wu tang clan rant -
my all time favorite rapper, and lyricist, is gza, by far. that guy still makes the same kinda music that he used to make back in '95. yet, it's never boring. i mean, tell me you STILL don't like 'liquid swords', and i'll call you a big chubby liar! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] ah, the wu-tang of the mid-nineties.. that's rap at it's best. NOTHING will ever top the solo and group albums that came out in the period between '93 and '98. their second album (best cd ever compiled, imo) put an end to a wonderful saga. then they started making crap music, and rza lost all creativity. every now and then, he'd make something decent (like 'ghost dog' soundtrack), but overal, he just got really boring. despite the bad reviews, i absolutely LOVE his first album. it has some dark, monotone, depressing feel to it. especially 'kiss of the black widdow pt1', but that might be because of the portishead sample. portishead = depressing. 'the w' and 'iron flag' had some nice tracks, but it just felt too commercial and poppy to me, as a whole. the best example is inspecta deck. the fiercest rapper to walk the earth. that guy went from being the emperor of rap to that half assed, shit stained, crap tainted excuse for an album, 'the movement'. that crap of a cd sounds like it was made in magix music maker, on a laptop, with a built-in mic. ooooh, the scar that that album left in me.. i used to like raekwon and ghostface killah before, in the 'ironman'/'only built for cuban lynx' days. even 'supreme clientelle', i have to admit - that album owned the fuck out of me. there's even a nice 'fuck you' note for 50 cent in one of the skits (this was eons before 50 cent was famous, that's actually where i first heard of him). anyway, ghost and chef got all blingy with time and it started to piss me off. every picture in the cd sleeve would have one of them smiling with golden teeth and rings and watches and whatnot. i mean, you fuckers are the fathers of this genre - we know you're rich! their last albums were crap, at least compared to the first few. 'bulletproof wallaz' (one version of the name) had like 3 decent tracks. masta killa. i haven't been snooping around about hiphop lately, so i don't know if his solo album finally came out. i hear a couple of tracks and i liked it. this guy is pure rhyme. one of the few rappers on the planet who are actually worth 'listening' to. he doesn't rap in rythm, or make weird woopty-woop noises. here's an example from the best rap song, imo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] "the light is provided through sparks of energy from the mind that travels in rhyme form, giving sight to the blind. the dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. death, only one can save self from, this relentless attack of the track spares none" (hope i got it right). i once heard method man do a 30 minute freestyle (i have the clip, i think, if anyone wants it) and i was bowing down to the master. then he met puff daddy. and he made crap movies. so now i don't like him as much as before. 'bring the pain' is TEH POPPA of half the songs you hear today. u-god has crappy lyrics, but his voice and tact are great. uh, that's about it. odb.. eh.. the guy is just.. god. craziest fucking idiot on the planet earth. it's hard to hate him for selling out, he's just too fucking cool for school.

that's my ode to wu tang. it was nice while it lasted, and i'm glad it was happening when i liked hiphop the most. but i guess i grew out of it, eminem and 50 cent just don't do it for me. all they do is whine and show off at the same time, from my point of view. but to each his own.
i suggest (no, i STRESS) that you hiphop liking guys get 'honest expression' by this little group called binarystar. it has a clever bruce lee sample in it. very low budget cause the guys have no label, and aren't looking for one. oh, that rocks my boat [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[GLS]

shadowmantis, thank you for understanding the overexploded concept of Biggie and 2pac. And what bothers me is that people still make albums with them. 2pac even had a movie, cmon. Just die already. Their presence in rap today personally takes away from whatever aura they had before they died, its ridiculous.

heres what bothers me the most about rap (besides all of the commonality these days)

shadowmantis talks about the Wu Tang Clan, and what he liked/didnt like about 'em. Wu Tang Clan is OK, thats a group, their albums are meant to have multiple person(s) rapping in a song. But as I mentioned before, a guy like Ludacris, a rapper who makes an album and puts ONLY his name on it, may only perform half as much as anybody else on that album. The reason I like Eminem (minus D12) is he can make, in my opinion, a good CD, with about 90% of the rhymes coming from his own mouth. He does have the occasional "featuring" song, but thats fine by me. In other words, what I'm saying: Make your own damn album, is that too fucking hard for you?

When I first posted here, I wasnt hoping for a battle of the artists. I was hoping people would start discussing other aspects, such as the material and substance of the rap game today.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: gaaralovessand
shadowmantis, thank you for understanding the overexploded concept of Biggie and 2pac. And what bothers me is that people still make albums with them. 2pac even had a movie, cmon. Just die already. Their presence in rap today personally takes away from whatever aura they had before they died, its ridiculous.

you are garbage.

EDIT: well, it's not a comeback since you didn't say anything to me first. [img]i/expressions/light.gif[/img]

anyway, i don't know how you can say 'cmon just die already' about 2pac, perhaps the greatest and most influential rapper of all time. that's just being unreasonable.

[GLS]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

you are garbage.

<sarcasm>Wow. great comeback.</sarcasm>