Well there is one of these in the naruto manga forum so why not make one here to?
what do you guys think of him? he kicked kakashi's ass easily and both kurenai and asuma couldnt do anyhting, would gai be able to do something with his "tecnique" against sharingan users?
i was quite shocked at how graphic Itachis technique was, id hate to see how much it would be butchered if it was shown on us/uk tv.
i dont think gai could kick his ass, but i think hes certainly got the most chances of beating him, hes got experince and probably speed on his side.
I guess Gai would have at least some chance of beating itachi due to his experience of fighting against the sharingan, and he should have greater speed which will help gai alot, but then again the sharingan can read Gai's movements... hmm... very hard to decide.
yes but like lee said, theres no point in reading movements if you cant defend against them!
argh no not another Itachi thread the one in the manga forum is like 30 pages long, anyway i still believe that Itachi will beat them all he's too powerful Gai might stand a slight chance but Itachi's jutsu speed is amazing and he'll just totally overwhelm Gai
so you think Itachi will win out, failing an intervention from tsunade and Jira? or you think it would take the whole village at once attacking in unison to take him out?
I think Itachi whill get what he is looking for at the end (naruto) and instead of resealing the demon (sorry forgot the name) something goes wrong and it gets released and itachi gets killed naruto sacrifices himself to save the village with the others help to save it from the demon and gets put in the books like the 4th wanted cause no offence unless sasuke gets alot stronger or someone else can learn gai tec for fighting against the magna eyes they all kinda fucked but u can all have a massive go at me now for saying this have fun [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who doesn't think Itachi is cool. Simply, he's damn boring as a character. I accept that he's strong, he just doesn't seem useful for anything except to expand Sasuke's character, and bring Sasuke closer to his final purpose in the series: Villian.
Gai has 0 chance of beating Itachi. Zero. Look at it this way:
While Gai and Kakashi are certainly capable ninjas in their own right, they are simply not strong/talented enough to become Hokage - hence, Jiraiya was the one initially selected to become the next Hokage. Next consider that the 3rd hokage lost to Orochimaru. Noone in Leaf can fight Oro equally - the third himself says that as the strongest in Leaf village. It is likely also safe to assume that Oro is the strongest of the Sannin - ie stronger than Jiraiya - The third describes Oro as a "once in a decade genius" and turns a blind eye to his twisted personality, and himself states that he didnt select Oro to become the next Hokage because of his corrupted ways (Read: If it wasnt for that, Oro would likely have been the next Hokage. As it is, the 4th was chosen over the other 2 Sannin anyway).
Now we have that sorted out, consider that the Hokage lost to Oro, and Oro states that Itachi is stronger than himself. You should see why Gai had no chance against Itachi. No, not even a small chance. A small chance is what the 3rd Hokage had against Oro, and if Gai had "a small chance" against Itachi, you'd be forced to conclude that he is stronger than the 3rd Hokage.
Oh, I piece of speculation from myself: I dont think the leaf jounins are aware just how strong Itachi is. They know his strong, but they dont suspect that he is stronger than Orochimaru. I believe they (Asuma and Kurenei(sp?) ) think Itachi is only slightly stronger than themselves, and Kakashi/Gai thinks better of him, but still not as strong as Oro. Why? Look at the initial reaction Orochimaru gets from people and compare it to the initial reaction Itachi gets. Oro reaction = "I will die killing him" while Itachi reaction = "I will kill him and get out of the fight alive".
Oh yeah, unless youve read ahead in the manga its far too early to start properly examining Itachi as a character. Weve seen all of 2 episodes where he is actually present.
Edit: Before someone decides to announce how Gai specialises in fighting against the Sharingan, I'd like to point out that that it is most improbable that Itachi survived as a ninja solely because of his sharingan. To put it in terms of an analogy, you cant be a great at maths if you only do addition and subtraction. Theres alot more to maths, from the basic multiplication, to integration, optimisation and trigonometrics - and thats just in highschool. Theres no way you'd become proficient at maths if you simply concentrated on one area and flunked the rest.
I think Shikimaru's dad could beat Itachi, in his own disinterested way.
Itachi's utlimate technique seems to take quite a bit out of him. Maybe it was S-0's bad translation, but it seems that Kisame tells Itachi not to use the technique too often.
So...Shikimaru's dad's team together I think could have a chance of beating Itachi. At dusk when the shadows are longest, Shikimaru's dad binds him. Chouji's dad walks up behind Itachi and sits on him. These people are Ninja's not gunslingers. who says you have to meet your opponent face to face.
As for Orochimaru, he might just not be sure if he can win against Itachi's ultimate technique, preferring a sure thing rather than gambling.
As for the Hokage saying that Orochimaru was a once in a generation type of Ninja. There's more to being Hokage than just power in terms of jitsu as ninja, wisdom, intelligence, and ambition are all important. Look at Shikimaru. He's not the most powerful in terms of raw power like Naruto, but he's a very capable ninja in his own right.
If Shikamaru's dad could beat Itachi, he would be the next Hokage.
Its all nice and good to speculate and if this and then that, but really - Kishimoto didnt put Itachi on a high pedestal as the strongest character we've encountered so far just so that a minor character could concievably beat him.
Edit: (I missed your last paragraph)
While I agree with you that theres supposed to be more to being a Hokage (and indeed in the context of this story, a ninja) than pure strength, for the purposes of determining the plausibility of one character defeating another, all that is relevant is the skills related to combat - including tactics, jutsus etc etc.
Oh, and I'm sure that Orochimaru didnt get to be as strong as he is by being mediocre in some of his skills. Perhaps the only thing he is shown to lack in the story so far is compassion/a heart. We are positioned to see him has having plenty of everything else thats important to being a ninja as a whole.
So far in the anime series, every ultimate technique made the possessor seem invincible, that is until we saw how to overcome the ultimate technique.
I'm just saying that while Itachi is really really powerful, it doesn't mean that he can't be beaten by someone other than Sasuke. Otherwise, why did the 3rd unretire, instead of appointing a Uchiha as the 5th Hokage. The technique is ultimate insomuch as we dont' know how to beat it yet.
Gai could definitely determine Itachi's movements and he has speed on his side but I don't think he's capable of beating him but he stands a chance against Kisame imo.
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i think a good % of the people in naruto would stand a chance against kisame, and i actually think that Kakashi would beat him, its already been shown that he posesses incredible strength (kisame that is), so i see no reason why Kakashi who is evidently faster cannot beat him.
surprisingly SO was correct that time.....kisame does indeed tell itachi not to use his eye too oftenOriginally posted by: IamSpazzy
Itachi's utlimate technique seems to take quite a bit out of him. Maybe it was S-0's bad translation, but it seems that Kisame tells Itachi not to use the technique too often.
what i think's so interesting about itachi is that not only can he perform jutsus in the blink of an eye (which in itself is very cool if you've copied 1000s of jutsus), but also he actually acts like the kinda person who was once an ANBU squad leader. The way he fights and chooses to retreat shows that he can make conclusive decisions based on the situation and not let anger or power get in the way of his judgement.
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I never said Itachi couldnt be beaten. I just said he couldnt be beaten by Gai/Kakashi.
If it was one of the Sannin, or the Hokage then it'd be a different matter. Sure they might be weaker, but I think they'd actually stand a chance - How much of a chance is entirely up to Kishimoto. We havnt recived enough information (in the anime) to do any reasonable speculation.
Oh yeah, and in all probability an Uchiha wasnt appointed as the 5th because they were dead. Even if that werent the case, bringing it up just complicates the story beyond what is likely Kishimoto had in mind. Bringing up explainations for every concievably plausible fork in the storyline is unrealistic.
i'll say this right now...
itachi can beat everyone that has been introduced and alive so far. PERIOD. while the chances of other's beating itachi is VERY VERY VERY slim. except jiraiya, i'd say he has the best chance (BETTER'S THAN GAI'S).
i'll post more into this thread later.
and you know this how? you state it like its a fact, show me how you came to this conclusion?
just because jira is one of the sannin doesnt mean hes some kind of godlike ninja, he could be the slowest person in the whole of naruto, we havent seen him fight yet. you can say it all you want but as of right now Gai is not only the most likley person to beat itachi, but hes also the only one we can PROVE will be effective against him.
if i wanted i could make apost like yours and just demand that everyone accept gai could beat him, as it stands iam notdoing that. iam INVITING you to defend you clealy unsupportable views.
lemme fan the fire a bit here, what do yall think about a Jiraiya+Gamabunta summon vs Itachi?
Formerly known as 'Animemaster'
As for the Uchiha's being wiped out when the 3rd un-retired...They were still around. 4th died when Naruto was still a baby. So the 3rd had to have come back before Naruto and Sasuke were old enough to talk. So the Uchiha's were still around.
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