well i suppose u argue a good point, but i still think a bands music should sell them, not messages they put across to get attention, or the silly outfits they wear. i generally get music recommendations off music sites and so dont see the band itself until a. i see them live, b. i buy their album. so for me its from the band's music that i decide if i like them or not. if a band has important message along side their music like RATM then i dont mind, but aslong as the music doesnt drop in quality [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]. i didnt realise cradle based their image on Bmovies, guess i know now!