sad you step away from a forum for a couple of days and theres so much stuff to address =P


first off , TenSaiKun :-

i think you need to do a couple of years worth of economics and maybe psychology before you makes such statements.

quality and popularity are not co-dependant at all. while one does tend to influence the other in most cases it doesnt always hold true.

heh, if MS's OS was sucky, it won't be as popular
the only reason why microsoft has dominance today is because Bill Gates was a savvy mofo and IBM + apple screwed themselves over in the '80s

Windows is shit. Anyone who believes that Windows is anything but a steaming pile of rushed buggy software probably believes that fairies and unicorns are real too.

the fact of the matter is that ppl use windows simply because there is no other alternative(hi linux is only an alternative if you consider castration to be an alternative to the condom). however even if someone were to release a better OS tomorrow MS would still hold the lion's share of the OS market since they have made so many deals it may be decades before anyone truly breaks their hold over the industry.

If you really only saw 10 episodes of Naruto (altho i forgot how far that went), you have no
credibility of saying that it sucks. Especially when it gets better and better.
perhaps. but my point is that no anime should need more than 10 episodes to hook you into it.

you should have just said you dont like Naruto as much as other anime's instead of saying
its a Dragon Ball GT level anime.
perhaps i should be more specific

Naruto is akin to Dragonball GT in the sense that its a shallow attempt to whore out an already sucessful piece of intellectual property (the Naruto manga and in the case of GT, the Dragonball franchise) and doesnt even do it well like in the case of Kenshin or GiTS.



and now its Onii's turn :-

1. Naruto sucks because its unoriginal.
Its not possible to be truly "original". You think Kenshin is a good anime. Was Kenshin the FIRST anime to feature a hero with a sword? No. So Kenshin is just as unoriginal as Naruto, according to you. If someone creates a story about a character that uses a sword, is he automatically unoriginal, and therefore he sucks?
the difference being that kenshin was based on an actual japanese legend of an assassin during the revolution and Naruto was created as dragonball knock off to keep the kiddies hooked on a magazine? It is true that kenshin isnt particularly original, nothing ever really is these days, however kenshin is done well enough that you can overlook that issue. Naruto isn't.

That is not a fact; thats an opinion. There are thousands of people who dont think Naruto is annoying. You dont like Naruto's character... that has nothing to do with the anime, or why its a bad anime.
Yes my opinion is law in my world and your opinion isnt even worth the bandwidth it costs to view it? Dude in my opinion Naruto is shit. And the argument from the very beginning was because Tensaikun said :-

Originally posted by: TeNSaikUn

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so if u see somebody rating Naruto a below average anime, you see nothing wrong with that?
so i just pointed out that yes there are people who find Naruto to be a substandard piece of drivel. kk thx . drive on thru ~


3. Long storyline, bad pacing.
Starting from episode 1, the goal of Naruto (the anime) was to transform the manga form of Naruto into a visual, anime form. The manga currently has over 200 chapters, its still not finished... Talk to any of the countless Naruto manga readers, and they'll tell you that they read every chapter, and its not boring and the story does not drag along. The anime form of Naruto simply follows the manga. Its 84 eps and counting because it follows the manga. If they didnt have to follow the manga, they could have turned Naruto into a 52 ep series or less. 84 eps so far, and I can only think of a handful that were boring and/or filler.
so basicly what are you trying to say here? Yes i realize that naruto was a manga before it was an anime. You arent really saying anything in this particular statement but i shall address what i feel is the gist of your argument

When you translate manga into anime, you tend to run into temporal disparity, caused in large part between the manga which by its very nature advances at a very slow rate, and the anime which in theory advance at ludicruous speeds compared to said manga.Now this is nothing new. Its a problem that has plagued humanity since the beginning of popular animation.

To tie this to the discussion at hand, MY problem with Naruto the anime is that in order to solve the problem of temporal disparity they have slowed the pacing of the anime to be more in time with the manga's. I view this to be a very uncreative and stop-gap solution to the problem at hand and it turns what should be a medium used to portray fast and furious action into one that does what amounts to a slow motion blow by blow commentary on battles between ridiculously overpowered demi-gods.

And do you know what the problem is? If i wanted a slow motion blow by blow i would be reading the manga instead of wasting bandwidth on a substandard reproduction of what i feel is a substandard un-original shallow story.

It seems you have not watched all the eps of Naruto, maybe not even half (just a guess) nor do you read the manga. Perhaps you should do some "research" before making these arguments...
hi, if you would care to scroll a few posts up I would like to draw your attention to the fact that i have explicitly said I have only watched 10 episodes before i had to gouge my eye-balls out and sacrifice kittens to Jobu to make up for soiling my precious mind. Perhaps you should do your own research before criticising someone else's?


and for Lionheart :-
*sigh* i say we leave things as is. i mean, whats the point of arguing with someone if they'll never understand?
the point is argument for arguments sake. anyone who believes they can change another person's opinion by posting anonymously on a public internet board is a fool.