but naruto IS below average? passable at bestOriginally posted by: TeNSaikUn
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so if u see somebody rating Naruto a below average anime, you see nothing wrong with that?
but naruto IS below average? passable at bestOriginally posted by: TeNSaikUn
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so if u see somebody rating Naruto a below average anime, you see nothing wrong with that?
Lets not take this thread into discussing Naruto. All that I'll say is that most of the forum probably differs from you on that opinion.
The most interesting character in the show so far is the Detective, does anyone know if we'll see any backstory on him? Why he's so relentless or anal? No spoilers, a simple yes or no will do.
cant remember if there will be backstory to the detective, but there will be much backstory to johan and his sister.
actually i think you are wrong. Naruto is popular only because it fills a niche, not because it is of outstanding quality. Also Naruto is a long running series and statistically, long running series tend to have fanbases that are loyal despite the quality of the show in question (eg. Star Trek, X-files , Friends). These shows remain popular simply because they have run so long, and audiences have invested so much emotionally into it that ppl would watch even if the scripts were periodically written by a drunken spastic monkey.Originally posted by: Poiple Weezard
Lets not take this thread into discussing Naruto. All that I'll say is that most of the forum probably differs from you on that opinion.
If one were to take and compare Naruto up against every other long running series ever made and rated for storyline/animation/etc etc, it would probably score on the averagish side.
Also unlike most secular long running series, Naruto has simply no competition. Look at it this way, the only other long running series of notable quality is FMA and thats already 32/52 done. Naruto is not even close to resolving itself at 83 episodes.
The truth of the matter is that time moves on , quality anime series come and go, but Naruto remains.
So pls friends stop confusing popularity with quality. It is tiresome. If you like Naruto go ahead and enjoy it. There is no shame in that. Just dont go off spouting that its better than anything else cause it really isnt.
Coming back to monster ..... yeah it looks good, but its also one of those animes where you need to maintain a steady momentum in order sustain a great interest in it.
Its better to watch it several episodes at a time rather than keeping pace with the releases.
going back to monster after watching eps of Kono-mini and Tenjou Tenge kind of detracts from it quite abit IMO.
PS: To address the issue that some ppl might raise on the subject of Initial D being on par or surpassing Naruto:-
It doesnt ... Naruto is better
I agree with most of your post, but the statement from other long running series comparing to Naruto...
Apparently you havent watched Hunter X Hunter and One Piece just to name a few... they easily compare to Naruto... and in my book it surpasses it at times...
But yeah... I think Monster is a candidate for one of those series that you need to watch in batches...
it is one of my favorites of the new season
I dont know, but the intro seems a lot like shingetsutan tsukihime (just something i noticed).
Monster seems interesting to me, i have ep 5, but ive only watched 4 so far.
its more story based than action or any other category.
i agree with you guys that watching in batches is the best, but animes get liscenced so dl in batches is kinda risky. but people can also dl anime and watch later
initial d is good but it doesnt attract as mucha wide audience as Naruto.
Please stay away from the conversations about Naruto and other long-running series in this thread. If you want, go make a new thread.
meh there isnt really much that can be said about monster at this juncture without this turning into a huge ass spoiler threadOriginally posted by: Poiple Weezard
Please stay away from the conversations about Naruto and other long-running series in this thread. If you want, go make a new thread.
so we mght as well put the thread to good use. hijacking 4 life!!!!!
true i havent. and not to be insulting or anything but i dont really care about animes which have ep counts in the 60+ zone.I agree with most of your post, but the statement from other long running series comparing to Naruto...
Apparently you havent watched Hunter X Hunter and One Piece just to name a few... they easily compare to Naruto... and in my book it surpasses it at times...
they usually have slow plot developement and a significant % of fillers. If i wanted to invest that much time i would spend it reading War and Peace or some other lengthy tome.
to me an anime has to grab you within the first 10 eps or so and not take longer than 52 eps to tell its tale.
I can easily see other older long animes surpassing Naruto. hell Macross is almost as old as me and it kicks the crap out of naruto. Hell even in its butchered , badly dubbed form (Robotech) it kicks Naruto's ass.
again i say what i have said in other threads =P i believe Naruto is the worst thing to happen to anime since Dragonball GT. Having long, monolithicly popular animes kind of detracts from the other quality stuff available.
Dont be surprised that 5-6 years from now when you ask a 10-14 year old about anime , all they will be able to talk about is Naruto =P
i dont know how u can possibly say/think that...
again i say what i have said in other threads =P i believe Naruto is the worst thing to happen to anime since Dragonball GT.
sure Naruto might not be the best.
but...
it IS good, and at least above average. (ive only seen about 20 episodes, but up-to-date with the manga)
if Naruto is a below average anime, what the hell is an average anime!?
average anime = something that you would watch if there was nothing better to watch
naruto is very much an average anime. i will admit its not bad, but theres really nothing in it that could push it into the good range either.
This is why:-
complex combat? hi kenshin did it before and did it better. hell even tenjou tenge does it better cause they dont take the time to explain every single move which bogs down the story =P i'm pretty sure that there are even older anime that do it better since this is not really a new concept at all.
annoying protagonist. Naruto is single handedly the most annoying shit in anime to date.
If i wanted to see annoying little shits with napoleon complexes i would just go to work. would be more entertaining too since those shits wouldnt have deus ex machina to save them from being owned.
very very poor pacing + storyline. seriously ..... how do you see naruto ending? its 83 eps in and theres no end in sight. all it is , is more and more fights against ever increasingly ridiculous opponents. in fact i'm betting that the only way Naruto will ever end is if Jesus himself comes down and bitch slaps him.
in closing, Naruto = teh sux because of unoriginal and poorly done concept + annoying protagnist + extremely bad storyline pacing
only reason i would ever watch naruto is if there was absolutely nothing else to watch in between eps of FMA but fortunately it hasnt come to that yet.
hmm, if u say an average anime is something that you would watch if there is nothing better to watch,
then Naruto is definitely an above average anime.
Why?
it has the most downloads by FAR.
and dont tell me popularity and quality doesnt go together, because in this case, Naruto is #1 in downloads.
(that argument can be used if it was around #5.)
Combat: yea kenshin and others have done it before (ive read the manga for kenshin, but only saw couple
episodes of the anime where i thought it wasnt too good), but i wont agree on better. Some will say
Kenshin did it better, and others would say Naruto does it better (prolly preference between Kenjutsu and
Ninjutsu).
I dont agree with u saying Tenjou Tenge does it better.
Naruto the character, does get annoying to some people, but he gets better later on.
poor spacing + storyline: cant really say much here cuz i dont know how the anime is paced (again, I'm
only up-to-date with the manga)
about your 60+ episodes = dont care theory...
1)Are you saying 60 episodes is about a good length for anime in general? (like watching a 2 hour movie)
or
2)you dont like anime/manga that has a super long story.
if #1, then ok. Yea thats partly true cuz for somereason, most of the animes start adding fillers, etc degrading the anime.
(i think Kenshin was one of those animes). But if it follows the manga properly, this doesnt happen (example:Naruto)
if #2...that has nothing to do with the quality.
to name some anime that was cut short tremendously,(and are usually people's favorites) are Akira, Nausicca of the
Valley of the Wind, Berserk.
The manga, which has more then triple the amount of the anime, is far superior. If the anime was made to follow the manga,
(becoming much more in length wise), it would have turned out fine, if not better.
Naruto IS original with its deep ninjutsu ideas (taking Ninjutsu in a DragonBall-ish style).
if you say its unoriginal because the main character gets stronger fighting against stronger and stronger guys....
then dont watch anymore fight related anime.
if you still think long episode animes suck, or dont feel like watching them, then I highly recommend you to read the manga and
just forget about the anime.
yay more thread hijackingOriginally posted by: TeNSaikUn
hmm, if u say an average anime is something that you would watch if there is nothing better to watch,
then Naruto is definitely an above average anime.
Why?
it has the most downloads by FAR.
and dont tell me popularity and quality doesnt go together, because in this case, Naruto is #1 in downloads.
(that argument can be used if it was around #5.)
Combat: yea kenshin and others have done it before (ive read the manga for kenshin, but only saw couple
episodes of the anime where i thought it wasnt too good), but i wont agree on better. Some will say
Kenshin did it better, and others would say Naruto does it better (prolly preference between Kenjutsu and
Ninjutsu).
I dont agree with u saying Tenjou Tenge does it better.
Naruto the character, does get annoying to some people, but he gets better later on.
poor spacing + storyline: cant really say much here cuz i dont know how the anime is paced (again, I'm
only up-to-date with the manga)
about your 60+ episodes = dont care theory...
1)Are you saying 60 episodes is about a good length for anime in general? (like watching a 2 hour movie)
or
2)you dont like anime/manga that has a super long story.
if #1, then ok. Yea thats partly true cuz for somereason, most of the animes start adding fillers, etc degrading the anime.
(i think Kenshin was one of those animes). But if it follows the manga properly, this doesnt happen (example:Naruto)
if #2...that has nothing to do with the quality.
to name some anime that was cut short tremendously,(and are usually people's favorites) are Akira, Nausicca of the
Valley of the Wind, Berserk.
The manga, which has more then triple the amount of the anime, is far superior. If the anime was made to follow the manga,
(becoming much more in length wise), it would have turned out fine, if not better.
Naruto IS original with its deep ninjutsu ideas (taking Ninjutsu in a DragonBall-ish style).
if you say its unoriginal because the main character gets stronger fighting against stronger and stronger guys....
then dont watch anymore fight related anime.
if you still think long episode animes suck, or dont feel like watching them, then I highly recommend you to read the manga and
just forget about the anime.
hi
yes i generally dont like animes that drag on past the 60 ep mark because they become draggy, fillers and what have you.
conversely i am aware of rushed/butchered anime. I hate them both.
i hate long ass animes more because they waste more time getting to the point where the rushed ones just leave you with a WTF?!!~ feeling
Why i feel naruto is unoriginal because you could remove Ninjitsu and insert almost any other methodology for their moves and it would still be the same
also in your own argument you highlight the fact that its not original
please observe:-
hi dragonball has done this exact same thing before. just with a different setting and methodology.Naruto IS original with its deep ninjutsu ideas (taking Ninjutsu in a DragonBall -ish style).
thus Naruto is not original.
so what if its number #1 in downloads? being #1 doesnt imply quality.
Thats like saying Microsoft have the best OS (or even just a good OS for that matter) just because its installed on the most PCs.
I have pointed out before that the reason why Naruto is so popular is simply because in the run time of Naruto universes have flared to life and died.
would you stop watching an anime half way in ?
obviously not. even if tomorrow they decided to make Naruto into a Neo-Pokemon ish parody alot of people would still watch it just because they have come too far to just leave.
also i would like to point out that i dont think ALL long animes suck.
I give all anime about 10 episodes to catch and maintain my interest and i feel thats really generous since its about 4-5 hours of my precious time.
I gave Naruto that much and it failed miserably. Pity too since there was so much potential in the first 2 eps.
please read everything what i said and not just ones that you wanted to read.
removing Ninjutsu from Naruto? reason why its original is because of the Ninjutsu.
dude, according to your theory, you can get almost any anime, and u can say its not original.
Dragonball, Hajime no Ippo, Fist of the North Star, Naruto, Rurouni Kenshin, Berserk, etc
they're all the same thing then!!!
thats not a good reason at all.
about the #1 DL.
once again, read what i said.
I said it cant be a below average or at best, average anime when it has the most DLs by far.
i never said #1 DL = best anime.
you're reversing the meaning of the stuff im saying.
you're saying that I'm saying Naruto (or Microsoft or whatever) is the best anime because it has the most DLs.
no.
I'm saying because it's a good anime, it has alot of DLs(the most in this case).(heh, if MS's OS was sucky, it won't be as popular).
Reason why Naruto became popular in the first place was because it was simply fun and entertaining to watch!
"would you stop watching an anime half way in ?"
that would depend on the person, but for me and alot of people I kno, yea, if it gets sucky, you can stop.
to name a few anime that was like that: Dragon Ball Z, Slam Dunk, Rurouni Kenshin, etc etc.
reason people DL Naruto is not because they have to, but because they enjoy it, lol.
It's interesting how you said Naruto had so much potential in the first 2 eps, because
I dont think the quality in the episodes after that drastically changed SO much that it would
instantly go from "a high potential anime" to a Dragonball GT level anime.
If you really only saw 10 episodes of Naruto (altho i forgot how far that went), you have no
credibility of saying that it sucks. Especially when it gets better and better.
k, I'm done with this argument now, because now I know people reading this thread would
ignore what you think, and nobody would get affected.
you should have just said you dont like Naruto as much as other anime's instead of saying
its a Dragon Ball GT level anime.
back to the Monster topic....sorry guys :/
there were "really minor" cuts in episode 5, but good thing that doesnt really affect the mood and story.
because its one of those anime's that arnt aimed toward kids (when it becomes an anime, kids are usually
the production's target), I see great potential in this.
However, as somebody mentioned already, it IS probably better to watch the episodes in a bulk rather then
1 by 1 each week. (for example episode 1~4, and then 5~whatever episode that makes a good break)
Monster... I already talked about it in another thread... Gungrave forum..
let me address your arguments.Originally posted by: yenlowangin closing, Naruto = teh sux because of unoriginal and poorly done concept + annoying protagnist + extremely bad storyline pacing.
1. Naruto sucks because its unoriginal.
Its not possible to be truly "original". You think Kenshin is a good anime. Was Kenshin the FIRST anime to feature a hero with a sword? No. So Kenshin is just as unoriginal as Naruto, according to you. If someone creates a story about a character that uses a sword, is he automatically unoriginal, and therefore he sucks?
2. Annoying character.
That is not a fact; thats an opinion. There are thousands of people who dont think Naruto is annoying. You dont like Naruto's character... that has nothing to do with the anime, or why its a bad anime.
3. Long storyline, bad pacing.
Starting from episode 1, the goal of Naruto (the anime) was to transform the manga form of Naruto into a visual, anime form. The manga currently has over 200 chapters, its still not finished... Talk to any of the countless Naruto manga readers, and they'll tell you that they read every chapter, and its not boring and the story does not drag along. The anime form of Naruto simply follows the manga. Its 84 eps and counting because it follows the manga. If they didnt have to follow the manga, they could have turned Naruto into a 52 ep series or less. 84 eps so far, and I can only think of a handful that were boring and/or filler.
It seems you have not watched all the eps of Naruto, maybe not even half (just a guess) nor do you read the manga. Perhaps you should do some "research" before making these arguments...
*sigh* i say we leave things as is. i mean, whats the point of arguing with someone if they'll never understand?
Back to Monster (again). Episode 6 is out and I just need to feel really sorry for Tenma. First he had motive and means to commit the three murders associated with the hospital those ten years ago, now he's placed at the scene of this set who will soon be murdered. This guy is never gonna get a break.
Yep... and he hasnt showered in a while... he's gonna scare off Anna/Nina...
I hope he gets some sort of fighting skills or shooting skills... I really don't want to see him getting his ass kicked all the time on top of all of his problems... that will make him the ultimate pathetic character
I don't think he's a fighter, its doesn't seem like that type of series. He's just gonna be extremely persistent in his chase. The series has an odd feel where you don't follow the main character, you feel that target that the main character is chasing.
the two previous posts:
i wont say what will happen, but it wont let u down.
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