Episode 82 Discussion *SPOILERS*

[chambers]

look LSJ just because kakashi was scared of oro that doesnt mean gai couldnt have beaten him. its not bloody DBZ powerlevels we are lookin at here, its a game of paper rock sicssors. you cant look at it and say well kakashi and gai are equall so everyone who is above one of them can beat the other, it just doesnt work like that there is too much variation in techniques. just because the bulk of the fighting in naruto so far has been jutsu ( i think iam using that properly) based doesnt mean that the physical part of the attacks isnt just as powerfull.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
i reckon gai would OWN itachi, also itachi is just one person...

hahahahaha good one dude. and rock, paper, scissors theory doesn't work in naruto, k?

[SK]

right thats what i was thinking, Gai would do no better against Itachi then Kakashi did. his speed would be nothing through the sharingan eyes. plus itachi didnt even want to waste time on him, he would have let kisame do the job, since he knew Gai wouldent be able to do anything against him.

[Assertn]

yeah that is true.....not only is itachi's jutsus uber fast....but im sure there's no amount of physical speed thats greater than what he can see with the sharingan

chambers: you dont seem to grasp the true difference in ranks in the naruto world......
if a jounin can kill like 10 chuunins like it was nothing, and a high level jounin can kill 10 anbus like it was nothing, and a chuunin can make most genins wet their pants, then clearly a sanin or a kage would be something insane

paper rock scissors do work, seeing as that naruto lost to lee, gaara lost to naruto, and lee lost to gaara
but only among characters within their respective ranks.....otherwise its a slaughter

V RESPONSE TO BELOW: i agree with you, except you dont seem to catch what we are referring to with the "paper rock scissors" concept......we arent saying that winning in a battle is like winning in a game of "paper rock scissors", we're saying that winning in a battle is determined by which of the 3 YOU are and which of the 3 the ENEMY is

[Legendary Nin]

You don't become captain of the ANBU squad for nothing,nor do you become a sennin for nothing eitheir.People like Kakashi and Gai are not that strong when you compare them to the echelons of Naruto.It's not power levels,it's skill.Skill isn't luck,unlike rock paper scissors.

[Hokage-IV]

NOTE: when i say stronger, i mean in stronger in overall skills, abilities, and talent, not just pure strength.

we don't know if itachi is stronger than ero-sennin, but if orochimaru fears itachi then we can assume that jiraiya should have trouble fighting against him. also, itachi said that only a true sharingan user can defeat him. that line should be a hint to who is capable of defeating a master sharingan user.

i'll tell you why everyone thinks that you must have a full blooded uchiha to beat sharingan. when gai said that you can counter/avoid sharingan user by only looking at their feet he is 100% correct. but he is only 100% correct when that person is fighting kakashi only. people have to realize that there is a huge difference between kakashi's and itachi's abilities to use the sharingan. itachi can use the sharingan at full potential while kakashi can only use it to the extent which his body allows. using gai's method to say that you don't need to be a true sharingan user doesn't work cuz kakashi's and itachi's fighting abilities and sharingan skills are at totally different levels.

besides, think about this. gai has trained all of his life fighting kakashi who cannot use the sharingan at maximum. the fighting skills are only trained up to perform against only a intermediate sharingan user. so when gai comes across someone who is a master of sharingan (itachi), he can't match its full power.

and yes, you are correct about only a true uchiha can counter the mangekyou sharingan (tsukiyomi is the name of the genjutsu), but in all aspects of seeing, reading, and copying jutsus, itachi's is far superior to kakashi's (this was proved when kakashi could barely follow with itachi's attacks while itachi had no trouble).[/quote]



well, itachi is not gonna say, XXXXX, XXXXX, XXXXXX and XXXXX is stronger than me, but hes definetly a badas

About Gai can't counter Itachi's Sharingan, all you had to say was Itachi's fighting lvl is much higher than kakashi. Not because Itachi can use the sharigna at full potential and kakashi cant, full potential or not , looking at feet during fighting is all the same to me, but fighting lvl will be different and will determine the outcome.

or maybe purple toenails will determine the outcome..lol

[Raven]

*Sigh* the animation of the Mange Sharingan torture scene was even better than I dared to dream! It was so well done. Excellent stuff. And btw, to those who said the next ep is filler, you are wrong.

[Raven]

*Sigh* the animation of the Mange Sharingan torture scene was even better than I dared to dream! It was so well done. Excellent stuff. And btw, to those who said the next ep is filler, you are wrong.

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: chambers
look LSJ just because kakashi was scared of oro that doesnt mean gai couldnt have beaten him. its not bloody DBZ powerlevels we are lookin at here, its a game of paper rock sicssors. you cant look at it and say well kakashi and gai are equall so everyone who is above one of them can beat the other, it just doesnt work like that there is too much variation in techniques. just because the bulk of the fighting in naruto so far has been jutsu ( i think iam using that properly) based doesnt mean that the physical part of the attacks isnt just as powerfull.

woohoo, we have a winner..

[SK]

what gai said about only looking at his feet was idiotic anyway, what about itachi's hands? or was it a bad translation?

[TwisT]

Originally posted by: LegendarySenninJiraiya
i disagree about Oro being stronger than Jiraiya and the third sennin tho (a mod should edit the name from his post) and you'll have to wait a while to see why i say this but later on we'll learn more about the 3 and settle these thoughts

Why?? Tsunade name has been said.. It was said when they asked Jiraiya to be Hokage he said that Tsunade is better suited for the job..

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yeah that is true.....not only is itachi's jutsus uber fast....but im sure there's no amount of physical speed thats greater than what he can see with the sharingan

chambers: you dont seem to grasp the true difference in ranks in the naruto world......
if a jounin can kill like 10 chuunins like it was nothing, and a high level jounin can kill 10 anbus like it was nothing, and a chuunin can make most genins wet their pants, then clearly a sanin or a kage would be something insane

paper rock scissors do work, seeing as that naruto lost to lee, gaara lost to naruto, and lee lost to gaara
but only among characters within their respective ranks.....otherwise its a slaughter

V RESPONSE TO BELOW: i agree with you, except you dont seem to catch what we are referring to with the "paper rock scissors" concept......we arent saying that winning in a battle is like winning in a game of "paper rock scissors", we're saying that winning in a battle is determined by which of the 3 YOU are and which of the 3 the ENEMY is

True difference ranks? lol yes i agree there is ranks in naruto world but i dont know about true difference in ranks... and also rock , scissors and paper also applies to naruto world. Beyond that ,referring to the fan base, it is about perception.

[Naruto_-_Kun]

Originally posted by: LostAngel
Hmmm I think Gai could maybe put up a better fight if he had fast speed than Lee with out the weights. If Itachi couldnt see him then he couldnt copy him?? But I am probably wrong. All he would have to do is catch him once put him in a jutsu like he did Kakashi and it would be over. I think Gai could put up a better fight against Itachi though. I wanted to see them duke it out. I know Gai would of lost but it would of been awesome. They don't show enough of him fighting.

That jutsu he did was awesome! I wonder since Kyuubis chakra is merging with Naruto... won't they become like 1 adventually?? If that ever happens... wouldn't the seal be useless?? Because I remember Orchi saying that they where already starting to merge together. Or if there chakra merges... will Kyuubi still be there just without his own chakra then forever depend on Naruto until he dies? Stupid questions but cant help but wonder about them.

I think its so awesome that Jiriaya is going to watch over Naruto.. those 2 are so perfect together.

i know this is from a while ago, but duders....dont we already know that tai jutsu is the best against sharingan from sasuke vs leee fight....so imo gai may be more effective against itachi than kakashi...u know its like how u have rock, paper, scissors depending on the opposition u may hav an advantage or a disadvantage. i think gai may hav an advantage against itachi (couldnt win though)

[Naruto_-_Kun]

Originally posted by: Hinata-chan
my point is really we dont know

i agree there is alot fo stuff that in theory coudl present itself but there is nothign concrete as of yet

who knows - the REAL tranlsation (ANBU/AonE) will tell us more perhaps than SO's version

i agree as far as a relationship - but we cant just assume things [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] - it'd be like assuming that Kakashi is a half-breed Uchiha just because he only has one eye or something

and again - we erally dont know much - even with the manga

rofl come to think of it that may not be tooo far fethched lol, he may be half uchiha, thats y he was called genius and it was reallly hard for him to gain the power of the sharingan. and he doesnt have the true power of the sharingan coz he is only half or a quater uchicha [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: Aeon
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When was it ever stated that Oro is the strongest of the Sennin? For all we know the Sennin can be the complete opposite of team 7 with Tsunade being the strongest and Oro being the weakest. Plus Frog Summon's>Snake Summon's.

I'm pretty sure that the 3rd says something to the effect while reminiscing about him.


Also, to comment in general on this rock-paper-scissors thing-


These guys aren't amateurs. While some styles may have advantages over others, I doubt that someone as powerful as Itachi has simply left himself wide open to tai jitsu. Really, how long would most of these guys last if they made no attempt at all to defend themselves against their weaknesses? Itachi would probably be dead by now if he was as vulnerable to tai jitsu as some people here suggest. Kakashi has a sharingan too, but he has good tai jitsu skills to back them up.

Yes, lee owned Sasuke when they fought. That's because Lee has been a Genin longer, and is probably older. Sasuke had already managed to match Lee's speed by the time of the main matches.

I find it highly doubtful that Itachi never learned any taijitsu or ninjitsu that was good against taijitsu.

[Uchiha Barles]

Itachi's genjutsu reminds me of Ban's evil eye ability from getbackers. Kakashi's the man, but seeing someone own him so easily with an ability like that was just totally awesome. And since we all miss Sakura, I'll bring her up. What we've seen of genjutsu so far has been no joke. If that's where sakura's abilities lie, maybe she'll amount to something after all :-P

[Raven]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
And since we all miss Sakura, I'll bring her up. What we've seen of genjutsu so far has been no joke. If that's where sakura's abilities lie, maybe she'll amount to something after all :-P

Probably not, because look at Kurenai, she's a Genjutsu specialist and she still got owned. Sakura probably won't be any better. Well, maybe, if she gets trained by someone good. But I doubt it.

[Outtawack311]

I am curious about something. Gai said there was another way to fight against sharingan users but he wasnt going to go into it now. I wonder if there is a type of jutsu or ability you can gain that helps defend you against sharingan.
Also, Kakashi wasnt in the jutsu for 70+ hours Itachi let him out after 1 second of real time to show how much can be done in that little of time. He counts down one second in the genjutsu then lets him go.

[Gods_Son]

Gai's other way of fighting sharigan users was probably something equally as stupid as looking at the users feet the entire time. Itachi could've easily killed Kakashi, he just decided not to.

[Aeon]

I think Gai was talking about realeasing a certain amount of gate's.