unnofficial ranking vs official ranking is nothing more than bragging rights
kabuto purposely stayed as a genin so he could spy for orochimaru in the exams
do you think that by quitting the exams on purpose and preventing himself from becoming chuunin actually makes him weaker than those who DID become chuunin?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
guys, there's no way in hell Gai could ever touch Itachi. the guy killed the entire uchiha clan at the age of 13. also, did you see how fast he was using his techniques against kakashi? and i'm sure he was just toying with him. the guy is unstoppable. plus, even if Gai just looked at his feet, he would not be able to see Itachi's hand seals, if that's even possible anyways. Gai would get beaten faster than Kakashi was.
i'd assume he was an ANBU captain BEFORE killing his clan though
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Seems very unlikely that a mass murder would be promoted to ANBU captain.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
i'd assume he was an ANBU captain BEFORE killing his clan though
Otherwise, Oro could have been the fourth and so much conflict would have been avoided.
the most logical thing to do would be to conclude that Gai's method WOULD work against itachi also, maybe not the the point where he could beat him but hes certainly the best suited to the task. think about it, if gai can beat out the advantage of kakashis eye, and the main advantage of itachi is that someone has to ACTAULLY LOOK at the eye in order to succumb to that technique, well Gai still counters it by not even looking at his face. so infact Gai's method will be MORE effective when figthing itachi, why you ask? heres why: it is logical to assume that kakashi DOES NOT rely on the sharingan as much as itachi in battle as it tires him out. Itachis focus on the sharingan MUST lead to some weaknes in other areas, no i know there will be some people who will say "you dont get to be the best ninja in the world if you cant defend against physical attacks!", well to be honest thats a valid point, but when you are fighting against someone who specializes in your weakness (and we know its his weakenss becasue its been shown (lee v sasuke, gai v kakashi) to be an effective couter to the technique) it becoms a whole diffrent kettle of fish, not to mention there is NO other person in the village who fight sht esame way as Gai (at least not as good otherwise he would be known to us) we have also never seen a ninja similar to Gai in any other country and the only one who compares is his student, so it snot like Itachi will have huge experince in figthing someone of gais strenght.
so as you can see its PERFECTLY logical, and mut@t@ instead of saying " your wrong about everything, and its not logical....PROVE IT. use reasonable method and examples to PROOVE it. saying well itachi is a lot strong than kakashi is utter BS because Gai counters the very thing that is stronger about him.
I think your right chambers. I think Gai would stand a better chance. Now Itachi is fast as performing techinques... but he will have to be able to keep up with guy in complete movement. If he can't see Gai running around in speed that I expect to way surpass Lee... it will be hard to follow his movements. Like Sasuke fighting Lee.. he was able to copy his movements but couldn't keep up. Itachi is faster at performing techs Gai is faster in movement I would assume. I would think faster movement would have the advantage.
And if Gai voids all eye contact he stands a better chance than Kakashi.. Itachi said not to underestimate him so he knew that he was good and plus if he took Itachi then... Itachi was all worn out. Breathing heavily and crap for fighting with Kakashi. So more likely he wouldn't of been able to keep up with Gai. And with Asuma as back up since he said Gai was the only one who could fight Itachi he would take on Kisame I would guess. But I don't think Kisame could stand a chance against Gai.
I really wanted to see Gai take Itachi on though I want to see one good fight with Gai one on one with someone powerful. They should of at least let him and Kisame duke it out.
Oh yeah one thing I have learned from Naruto... people in lower ranks can still beat crap out higher ranks.
You're right Chambers Gai's method would be the most effective against Itachi, b/c of his training with Kakashi(and the sharingan) but since Itachi is an "expert ninja" he would of fought against at least one person like that before, and he would of eventually seen through Gai's strategy, now you cant factor out the fact that Itachi was weakened from using the Mangekyou Sharingan on Kakashi(his eyes were twitching(means he was stressed out)) So might of done ok alright, but not that good against Itachi, b/c even though he has the sharingan and it seems like he invincible with them, that doesnt mean he doesnt have some other cards up his sleeveOriginally posted by: chambers
the most logical thing to do would be to conclude that Gai's method WOULD work against itachi also, maybe not the the point where he could beat him but hes certainly the best suited to the task. think about it, if gai can beat out the advantage of kakashis eye, and the main advantage of itachi is that someone has to ACTAULLY LOOK at the eye in order to succumb to that technique, well Gai still counters it by not even looking at his face. so infact Gai's method will be MORE effective when figthing itachi, why you ask? heres why: it is logical to assume that kakashi DOES NOT rely on the sharingan as much as itachi in battle as it tires him out. Itachis focus on the sharingan MUST lead to some weaknes in other areas, no i know there will be some people who will say "you dont get to be the best ninja in the world if you cant defend against physical attacks!", well to be honest thats a valid point, but when you are fighting against someone who specializes in your weakness (and we know its his weakenss becasue its been shown (lee v sasuke, gai v kakashi) to be an effective couter to the technique) it becoms a whole diffrent kettle of fish, not to mention there is NO other person in the village who fight sht esame way as Gai (at least not as good otherwise he would be known to us) we have also never seen a ninja similar to Gai in any other country and the only one who compares is his student, so it snot like Itachi will have huge experince in figthing someone of gais strenght.
so as you can see its PERFECTLY logical, and mut@t@ instead of saying " your wrong about everything, and its not logical....PROVE IT. use reasonable method and examples to PROOVE it. saying well itachi is a lot strong than kakashi is utter BS because Gai counters the very thing that is stronger about him.
R.I.P Captain America.
exactly, even without the sharingan, itachi is still a genius ninja. just like sasuke was top student in his class without even having the sharingan yet.
the funniest thing in 82 is what jiraiya tells naruto in the wery end of the EP
Jiraiya: Okay, Naruto.....
Naruto: Yeah?
Jiraiya: You go back home alone, train, and go to sleep
man that was so funny but in the s-o it is totally different (its in the A\a )
the proof is the record held between gai and kakashi. Even though gai counters the very thing that is stronger about kakashi, they still are almost evenly matched
therefore anybody higher than kakashi's level would be too much for gai
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
yes but AF you also have to consider that for perhaps a large part of his life Kakashi didnot have the sharingan so would likely be more focuses (read: better) at other parts of fighting. also from seeing kakashi fight we can see that he doesnt solely rely on the sharingan, whcih form what we have seen of itachi makes him different. the only key thing we need to remeber is that gai takes the sharingan and effectivly nullifies it, now if we look at itachi and say that his strongest wepaon is his sharingan and gai removes that form the equation, we have to think that gai now has the upper hand.
no. gai doesn't effectively nullify anything. maybe kakashi's sharingan, but not itachi's. if gai's method totally nullifies kakashi's sharingan then there would be no point of him pointing out that they're eternal rivals. is gai someone who would brag about being better than a certain person if gai can beat them every time? NO. also, we haven't seen the method being used on itachi, only on kakashi's ghetto sharingan. stop bringing up the fact that gai's method works on kakashi's sharingan cuz that's not what we're applying gai's method to. the method only works to a certain extent and we all know that itachi's sharingan is far better than kakashi's.Originally posted by: chambers
the only key thing we need to remeber is that gai takes the sharingan and effectivly nullifies it, now if we look at itachi and say that his strongest wepaon is his sharingan and gai removes that form the equation, we have to think that gai now has the upper hand.
also, i agree that gai is very fast, possibly faster than kakashi. sasuke made a comment about it when gai first appeared. fine, i believe that. but that's a comment made from a genin. but kurenai said herself that itachi's movements are way too fast for even her (a jounin) to keep up with.
and stop telling me i'm not supporting any of my counter arguments. i've done just as much as you have.
itachi is very fast a performing techniques, possibly fastest we've seen so far. but you guys do realize that after itachi performs the hand seals both him and the clone have to move around too, right? that's how it is done. it was explained when bunch of narutos jumped out of the lake and attacked kakashi. kakashi quickly did a replacement jutsu and hid in a tree. so far, itachi has proven that he's A LOT faster than we give him credit for. and ranks have nothing to do with someone beating up another.Originally posted by: LostAngel
I think your right chambers. I think Gai would stand a better chance. Now Itachi is fast as performing techinques... but he will have to be able to keep up with guy in complete movement. If he can't see Gai running around in speed that I expect to way surpass Lee... it will be hard to follow his movements. Like Sasuke fighting Lee.. he was able to copy his movements but couldn't keep up. Itachi is faster at performing techs Gai is faster in movement I would assume. I would think faster movement would have the advantage.
And if Gai voids all eye contact he stands a better chance than Kakashi.. Itachi said not to underestimate him so he knew that he was good and plus if he took Itachi then... Itachi was all worn out. Breathing heavily and crap for fighting with Kakashi. So more likely he wouldn't of been able to keep up with Gai. And with Asuma as back up since he said Gai was the only one who could fight Itachi he would take on Kisame I would guess. But I don't think Kisame could stand a chance against Gai.
I really wanted to see Gai take Itachi on though I want to see one good fight with Gai one on one with someone powerful. They should of at least let him and Kisame duke it out.
Oh yeah one thing I have learned from Naruto... people in lower ranks can still beat crap out higher ranks.
what? did you not see that kakashi whipped out his sharingan as soon as zabuza appeared? kakashi is a great ninja but his sharingan makes him even deadlier.Originally posted by: chambers
heres why: it is logical to assume that kakashi DOES NOT rely on the sharingan as much as itachi in battle as it tires him out.
STOP BRINGING UP OTHER FIGHTS THEY ARE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO ITACHI. using lee vs sasuke as an example is RETARDED. a lot of people have tried using this to support their argument but it does not work. if you don't understand that you can't use this to support your response, then you are hopeless cuz that just explains that your analysis skills are below mediocre....but when you are fighting against someone who specializes in your weakness (and we know its his weakenss becasue its been shown (lee v sasuke, gai v kakashi) to be an effective couter to the technique) it becoms a whole diffrent kettle of fish, not to mention there is NO other person in the village who fight sht esame way as Gai (at least not as good otherwise he would be known to us) we have also never seen a ninja similar to Gai in any other country and the only one who compares is his student, so it snot like Itachi will have huge experince in figthing someone of gais strenght.
nah my point is that at the moment if there was a fight right then since Itachi was showing how much (after using that torture jutsu I forgot the name of it) it took out of him. I mean that face and the huffying puffing... I think Gai could of had a better chance then Kakashi. On normal terms.. I don't think he would really stand a chance.
wait wait wait... so what you're saying was that gai could've had a better chance than kakashi AFTER itachi used mangekyou sharingan? man, wtf? that's not fair at all. how about we turn it around and say that, itachi has 100% chance of beating gai after he opened up 7 gates.Originally posted by: LostAngel
nah my point is that at the moment if there was a fight right then since Itachi was showing how much (after using that torture jutsu I forgot the name of it) it took out of him. I mean that face and the huffying puffing... I think Gai could of had a better chance then Kakashi. On normal terms.. I don't think he would really stand a chance.
but if that's not what you were saying then nevermind D:
lmfao I am not saying that he will win against Itachi... all I am saying with him worn out... he would have a more of a upperhand then what Kakashi did. If Itachi had used the mangekyou on Gai and was worn out then if Kakashi was going to fight him after than he would have more of the uppper hand then what Gai did. So to me that person would be able to put up a better fight instead of getting their ass kicked right off the bat.
If that makes any sense... sounds better in my head then when I try to explain it.
at last a well thought out reply, but i think your wrong, it doesnt mean that he DOES have some trick up his sleeve, i mean look at lee, hard work genius who cant use any techniques other than ones that encahnce his physical status. neji seems the same. shikamaru is clearly physically weak and only specializes on his familys technique and his witts. Gaara is the same, physically weak. the only real exception to this seems to be naruto and the one 'lion comb' technique that sasuke uses. so while iam agreeing that aninja like itachi wont be totally defenceless i doubt he would be able to keep up with gai, i mean itachi aint invincible, thats more than likley why he works with a physical partner.
and while it IS stated many, many times that sasuke is the top rookie i doubt that in a exam style fight situation he would have beaten shika, kiba (the bug guy?) or even i-no. there is nothing special about sasuke he knows one technique the fire one thats it, and it seems to do little damage anyway.
Quick question. Just how good is Itachi without Sharingan?
we're probably never gonna see itachi without his sharingan.Originally posted by: IamSpazzy
Quick question. Just how good is Itachi without Sharingan?
how good is itachi without the sharingan?
well considering he's a total bad ass character, i'd say he'd be pretty good......u dont make a villan with that much power be a one shot wonder, if u know what mean.......thats the "real world" explanation
now, as for the "anime world" explanation......he became ANBU captain at 13. U dont get a position like that just cuz u have a bloodline limit. remember anbu's track down missing nin's (well hunter nins do, but they're just a division of anbu anyway) and protect kage's and feudal lords. They have to be elite in every way, shape and form or else the mission mite fail. Also, he killed teh ENTIRE uchiha clan! they were also sharingan users, and im sure there were atleast 10-15 had completely mastered it....and fomr that there had to be 2 or 3 that could own like 3 jounins all at once......and yet none of them stood a chance against itachi, so hes gotta be pretty badass
I havent read a page of manga, but i just think that everyone talks about how Itachi killed the entire uchiha clan at like a really young age, I know hes all powerful and such, but it just seems like their HAD to be some strings attach
Imagine Neji trying to kill all of Hyuuga, it just doesnt seem plausible, even if Neji was 10 times stronger
unless there were strings attached or some wierd circumstance to it
plus the anime always mentions it, so there must be more to it than meets the eye
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