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    Turkish Man Kills 14-Year-Old Daughter

    By SUZAN FRASER
    Associated Press Writer

    ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Ignoring the pleas of his 14-year-old daughter to spare her life, Mehmet Halitogullari pulled on a wire wrapped around her neck and strangled her - supposedly to restore the family's honor after she was kidnapped and raped.

    Nuran Halitogullari, buried Thursday in a ceremony attended by women's rights advocates, is the latest victim in a long history of so-called "honor" killings, which Turkey's government is struggling to curb.

    Each year, dozens of girls are killed in Turkey by their relatives for allegedly disgracing their families - some for merely being seen speaking to men. The practice is especially common in the more traditional southeast and among families who have migrated to big cities from the region.

    Honor killings also occur in Pakistan and some countries of the Middle East and among immigrant families in EU countries like Britain and Sweden. The European Union, which Turkey aspires to join, is pressing the country to take steps to curb a practice it says is a violation of women's rights.

    Parliament last year voted to raise the punishment for such crimes to as long as 24 years in prison. But a loophole in the laws allows relatives to escape with sentences as light as eight years if they can prove they were "provoked" into committing the crime.

    European countries want Turkey to ensure that family members cannot benefit from the loophole.

    "No reductions should be made and everyone should know that such crimes will be punished and that no one can escape," Sweden's ambassador to Turkey, Anne Dismorr, said in an interview with the weekly Nokta magazine. "In our view the main cause behind the honor killings is the fact that honor is regarded as grounds for reduced sentences."

    Turkey has embarked on a major overhaul of its penal code and is expected to rectify the loophole, but the draft code is still weeks away from being endorsed. Some politicians on Thursday called on the government to immediately bring the issue to parliament.

    Lawyer Senal Saruhan, a woman's rights advocate, fears the draft may not go far enough. She insists that family members who incite or encourage the killings should be punished alongside the perpetrators.

    "Unless we bring severe punishments we will never stop these killings," she said.

    Guldal Aksit, the minister in charge of women's issues, added that attitudes are what really need to be addressed to stop the deeply entrenched practice. "These are not problems that we can solve on paper by changing laws ... We need to educate society," she said.

    Women's groups believe that a number of suicides among young women in the southeast are actually murders by relatives who believe they are saving the family honor. Often the youngest member of the family is forced to carry out the killings in the belief that a youth would get a less-stringent punishment.

    On Wednesday, authorities charged two brothers with murder after they shot their 22-year-old sister in the head in her hospital bed, where she was recovering from an earlier attack by them. The woman had had a child out of wedlock.

    Last year, a pregnant woman was reportedly stoned to death by her family after having an affair and buried in a pauper's grave after her family refused to hold a funeral.

    In the latest case, newspapers said Halitogullari was abducted in Istanbul on her way back from a trip to the supermarket and raped over six days. She was rescued by police and returned to her family.

    The murder came to light this week but it was not clear when it took place.

    In a rare confession, Mehmet Hatipogullari told police he and other relatives took the girl to an aunt's home where he strangled her, ignoring her pleas and her cries.

    "I decided to kill her because our honor was dirtied," the newspaper Sabah quoted the father as saying. "I didn't listen to her pleas, I wrapped the wire around her neck and pulled at it until she died."

    He said he buried her body beneath a chicken coop, which upset his other children, and later reburied her in a forest.

    The newspaper said Halitogullari also had planned to kill his daughter's rapist.

    Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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    Thats sad. What a backward country they live in. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
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    Yeah, that sucks, fucking ridiculous [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

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    stupid ppl

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    the father should be strangled to death with wire also for his punishment.
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    How can a country allow it? That is just so wrong.

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    i know thats so disgusting. the girl didnt choose to be raped. and only maximum of 24 years? that should be life if you ask me, or death penalty.

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    WTF is wrong with them, i mean did she chose to be kidnapped and raped, how the fuk is that going to restore honor back to their family thats only putting them into more shame, if i was there i woudve have stangled the father myself

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    Originally posted by: Xollence
    How can a country allow it? That is just so wrong.
    How could a country allow racial segregation up into the 1960ies?

    It happens all the time, countries trying to overcome their ancient traditions. Why should it work on instant for them when it took others generations?
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    Every country has something they're not proud of, but people who blindly follow such foolish traditions are just stupid. It's not something that will change instantly, and there's probably nothing we can do, so there's no reason to worry about it. I'm sure Turkey and the other countries will find a way to work it out for themselves.

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    Originally posted by: Stoopider
    Thats sad. What a backward country they live in. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
    That's really a uninformed opinion. Just from this one article, you've made huge assumptions about Turkish society. Honestly, it's not much different than here. My cousin lives in Turkey, and when I visited it was pretty much normal. So you get about a dozen of those a year. But how many killings are there in the US because of a girlfriend or wife cheating or being suspected of cheating? That's the same thing.

    Also, need I point out, that the US has such a ridiculously high murder rate, but we don't consider it "backward." Turkey actually has a smaller murder rate per capita than the US, but that should really come as no surprise.

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    Originally posted by: bwabes
    But how many killings are there in the US because of a girlfriend or wife cheating or being suspected of cheating? That's the same thing.
    i'm gonna have to disagree here on that one. a father killing his own child because she was raped is totally different than a husband killing his wife hecause she has cheated on him.
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    god...this is just...jeeze, these people should be tortured to death, suffocation isnt enough.

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    Originally posted by: bwabes
    Originally posted by: Stoopider
    Thats sad. What a backward country they live in. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
    That's really a uninformed opinion. Just from this one article, you've made huge assumptions about Turkish society. Honestly, it's not much different than here. My cousin lives in Turkey, and when I visited it was pretty much normal. So you get about a dozen of those a year. But how many killings are there in the US because of a girlfriend or wife cheating or being suspected of cheating? That's the same thing.

    Also, need I point out, that the US has such a ridiculously high murder rate, but we don't consider it "backward." Turkey actually has a smaller murder rate per capita than the US, but that should really come as no surprise.
    thats true. but atleast in america women are generally given a reasonable amount of respect and not treated like objects which a man owns when he weds her. then again this is probably only a small percentage of the population in turkey that act in such a stupid manor. im sure lots of countries have things that are fucked up, apart from canada, canada owns. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] (im not canadian btw!)

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    Originally posted by: bwabes
    Originally posted by: Stoopider
    Thats sad. What a backward country they live in. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
    That's really a uninformed opinion. Just from this one article, you've made huge assumptions about Turkish society. Honestly, it's not much different than here. My cousin lives in Turkey, and when I visited it was pretty much normal. So you get about a dozen of those a year. But how many killings are there in the US because of a girlfriend or wife cheating or being suspected of cheating? That's the same thing.

    Also, need I point out, that the US has such a ridiculously high murder rate, but we don't consider it "backward." Turkey actually has a smaller murder rate per capita than the US, but that should really come as no surprise.
    Your defending those in Turkey who kill their own daughters, nieces, or cousins because they were raped? Are you on drugs? Some psycho killing his girl because she cheated is totally different from a father murdering his daughter because she was kidnapped and brutally raped for a week. Here are some facts for ya. The US murder rate is 5 per 100k, Turkey's is 3 per 100k, the US population is 290, 342, 554 while Turkey's is 68, 100, 469. Turkey has killed over 2,000,000 Armenians from 1945-1984. Hmmm

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    I'm not defending them, I'm just saying that you can't judge the entire country because of a few psychos. And, in reference to the Armenian issue, not to justify it, but how many Vietnamese did Americans kill in less than a decade?

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    I think theres a difference between 'RACIAL CLEANSING' and WAR.
    More Numbers

    Number of North Vietnamese soldiers killed 444,000.
    Number of North Vietnamese civilans killed 65,000.
    Total number of North Vietnamese and Viet Kong casualties 509,000.
    Hmmm

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    Turkey is fucked,why do we have one of the greatest foods named after such a shitty country? Turkey has always been messed and always will be.

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    Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
    I think theres a difference between 'RACIAL CLEANSING' and WAR.
    More Numbers

    Number of North Vietnamese soldiers killed 444,000.
    Number of North Vietnamese civilans killed 65,000.
    Total number of North Vietnamese and Viet Kong casualties 509,000.
    Hmmm
    So massacring civilians is okay with you? It's exactly the same, and the numbers per year are worse for the US anyway. I won't post in this thread anymore, since it really just seems that lots of people here are bigoted against the middle east anyway.

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    i dont care what country or religon does that..
    choking your blood is wrong!

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