I'm Starting To Think That Itachi

[Assertn]

just look at the expression on itachi's face when he countered kurenai's jutsu......
there was nothin innocent about THAT

[jing]

Originally posted by: kilzo
i have a feeling... this isnt going to get anywhere, or this just going to go into another itachi debate soon...

Of course there will be no debate. It's damn well obvious he isn't innocent.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure


im sorry that you watched the SO version of naruto

my friend pointed out this terribly wrong error in their translation to me earlier....but nowhere does oro mention killing uchihas in that episode.....he was SUPPOSED to say "that is why i left the organization", but for some reason SO made him say "that is why i must kill all the uchihas", or something retarded like that

Yeah, and even myself who doesn't know Japanese to save my life (except for insults, maybe, but that definitly wouldn't save my life) could figure out that their translation was totally off.
I pointed that in another thread, but apparently doing so was bashing the subs.
I defintly won't bash subs, I always get Bakasan and find it pretty watchable. But I really found necessary to point out, with the few examples I could gather, that the translation was off. Not because I am picky or whatever, but simply because one couldn't understand lots of important things in the episode.
In SO, they didn't mention that the Sand told the Leaf that Oro had set them up. So, people who only watched that sub missed that particular info, and lots of other stuff. For me reason enough not to download SO anymore.

[Rek]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
your a dumbass man. oro would have had to kill itachi to take his body, which he isnt capable of. also if itachi wanted to save sasuke from being used as oro's new body all he would have to do is kill oro, not give him his body.

please, tell me where exactly it says Orochimaru has to kill someone to take their face.

It's just easier that way, because if that person just showed up, you'd be fuxored... And Oro has pretty distinctive eyes, but when he was Kazekage they were different...

So, you can make a face with the sharingan, he just wouldn't be able to use it. And they never showed what jutsu's Itachi used in the killing of his village. So, I think that about covers that.

[Everon]

Heh. As of now we know little for Itachi's motivations. Lets just assume that because Sasuke saw Itachi slaughter thier clan, because he's an S-ranked missing nin in the "bingo book", because we know he in league with several other ninjas in an organization which contains several missing nins -- Itachi isn't the nicest person around.

I'll admit the whole "lets slaughter my entire clan" thing doesn't sound right. So theres a possibility there is some kind of conspiracy that concerns Itachi.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Konoha Rek
please, tell me where exactly it says Orochimaru has to kill someone to take their face.

it doesn't ever exactly say that. but it's obvious... the animators/kishimoto can't figure everything out for you guys. somethings are just meant to be understood as it seems.

[Assertn]

well.....without a face, they cant really breathe or anything

[Uzumaki Naruto]

itachi innocent? dont make me laugh, if u alrady know what he did to his clan and only left one alive, then how can u say that hes innocent, and if he was why is he fighting kakashi and the other jounins? its obviouse that he came back to the village for a reason but for what?

[SK]

Originally posted by: Konoha Rek

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
your a dumbass man. oro would have had to kill itachi to take his body, which he isnt capable of. also if itachi wanted to save sasuke from being used as oro's new body all he would have to do is kill oro, not give him his body.

please, tell me where exactly it says Orochimaru has to kill someone to take their face.

It's just easier that way, because if that person just showed up, you'd be fuxored... And Oro has pretty distinctive eyes, but when he was Kazekage they were different...

So, you can make a face with the sharingan, he just wouldn't be able to use it. And they never showed what jutsu's Itachi used in the killing of his village. So, I think that about covers that.

lol wtf did u see up 81? they find kazekage's body because oro had to kill him to use his face. but i guess it is possible that itachi is innocent and he is just in that organization as a spy and oro disguised himself as itachi by putting on some sharingan eye contacts then he went and killed the uchiha clan...give me a break

[Aeon]

itachi innocent? dont make me laugh, if u alrady know what he did to his clan and only left one alive, then how can u say that hes innocent,

In my defense we've actually never seen him killing his clan mates in any flashbacks, in each flashback we either see Sauske crying over his mom and day bodies or Itachi talking to Sauske after it occured. Sauske has never said he watched his clansman die so he's just going by what Itachi told him.

and if he was why is he fighting kakashi and the other jounins?

Self Defense, he was on his way out of the village when Asuma and Kuranai refused to let him leave. Plus wouldn't you be pissed if you traveled all that way and they interrupted your meal?

[Mut]

i just want to know one thing. do you (aeon) believe that itachi didn't kill his family and clan members?

[Aeon]

Yes I think he took the blame to turn Sauske from a crybaby to a avanger.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: Aeon
Yes I think he took the blame to turn Sauske from a crybaby to a avanger.

That's a silly assumption, he is a criminal there is nothing innocent about him. He is hanging out with a renegade ninja and both of them are listed in the bingo book for good reason.

Now this may all be a deception for something else, but for now he does not seem one bit innocent according to what the story has stated.

[complich8]

I'm gonna jump back to the whole "face-stealing" thing ...

it depends on three things, whether he'd have to kill someone to "steal their face". Number one: is orochimaru physically taking the actual face of the person (like to wear it as a mask). If not, then there's not much reason to kill them. Number two: is orochimaru able to do any sort of reasonable transformation? If so, then there's not much of a reason to kill someone, just to do transformations. Number three, being a high level ninja with huge amounts of techniques, is it inconceivable to be able to physically manipulate your own appearance (without doing a pure transformation - molding your face just like you mold your chakra)? If not, then again no reason to do so.

I think kazekage died because he's a visible guy and not an idiot. He had to die in order for orochimaru to have some sort of cover - if oro were still in his place and attending the exams and kazekage was around too, then it is possible that both of them would be in the same place at the same time, making it unfeasible for orochimaru to use the disguise to get as close to hokage as he did.

What better way to enable yourself to replace someone completely than to make them absent in the first place?

As far as itachi and the whole killing uchiha thing, I don't see him even trying to claim he didn't. If he ever said "nope, wasn't me, you're wrong" then maybe it'd be in doubt. But hell, he's in the same organization as orochimaru and shark guy are in, and neither of them seems to be a reasonably sane character either. Why should he be an innocent victim of a conspiracy? Why not make him just a complete dick?

[Kakafosha]

age 13, itachi becomes an anbu member. that there just shows you how strong here is. just because he didnt seem that bad when he showed up in the episode doesnt mean he's nice. itachi killed his clan, everyone in the show knows that.

[Terracosmo]

"In my defense we've actually never seen him killing his clan mates in any flashbacks, in each flashback we either see Sauske crying over his mom and day bodies or Itachi talking to Sauske after it occured. Sauske has never said he watched his clansman die so he's just going by what Itachi told him."

Yes, it's a pure coincidence that Itachi stood beside the bloody corpses of his parents while Sasuke watched. It's a scam I tell you! A scam!

[itachi_]

I agree Andy.... Shame on you! you're analyzing skillz are the worst

[Garlannd]

He was with OJ simpson at the time of the murders helping him clean up his mysterious cut wounds that he can't explain how he got.

itachi did it. Trying to prove him innocent is like trying to prove a man who was witnessed by a crowd of people holding a bloody murder weapon over a corpse he just stabbed infront of them all. As he is carted away he screams "I did it and I'm glad I did!".

[SK]

so you dont think Sasuke witnessed the killings? i assumed he did...

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Aeon
Yes I think he took the blame to turn Sauske from a crybaby to a avanger.

what!? anyone could've taken the blame and that would've turned sasuke into an avenger. stop thinking irrationally. itachi killed his fam and clan. period.