This is what i think happens...
if you think about itachi... he graduated at a young age... so im thinking maybe you can take the exam at your request... or if the teacher selects you and thinks you are ready. Hey may have failed to become gennin but was still in the class with those who weren't lucky enough to be selected for the gennin exam
If Naruto entered the academy 3 years before the others, he'd have to have been about 2 when he entered. Konohamaru and co. are in their first year, right? And they're about 5? So if they entered 3 years earlier they'd still be babies.
I might be wrong about the ages though. Lol, just the thought of a little ninja baby... XD
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
you're right, this is a plot hole.
Sasuke is stated to be older than Naruto by several months in the official character stats, yet how has Naruto failed and Sasuke has not? My guess is that Naruto just started earlier, as a better form of daycare.
If Kakashi could be a chuunin at 6, he would have had to have been in the academy around 4 or 5.
i think you guys are just confused because you are relating the the school to your own education system
when it's more related to the japanese school system at best
Even so, the ages don't work out, no matter what system you look at. It's definitely a plothole.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
i think naruto failed for the small tests only not for the final exam for gennin......
I think Kishimoto didn't think it thoroughly when he was talking about Naruto failing the exams.
Probably he's too caught up with the current issues that he has forgotten that he hasn't explained about it or will explain about it.
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We don't really have any idea what Sasuke was doing during this timeframe [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] That's really the missing link here..
naruto is still close to the same age as sasuke and sakura though......my guess is that graduation exams take place multiple times a year
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Probably just a plot hole, perhaps he meant that Naruto failed everything leading up to the Genin exam. That's why he wasn't prepared for it, and was the only one not able to do Bunshin properly.
What was the spoiler? Nothing I have seen in this has been a spoiler.
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I think that mod must have thought the topic was "About Naruto Failing the Chuunin Exam"
Now that would be a spoiler.
Ok, any of you who thinks there are spoilers in here are stupid, unless you haven't seen the first few episodes or something.
Anyways, I didn't think that the graduation test was the same every time, that would just be stupid. Then everyone would know to study Bunshin, so it wouldn't really be a problem.
And Naruto probably just tried to become a Genin more times than anyone else, and that's why he failed.
I agree with you, I mean if you can elect when to take the exam then Naruto could have asked to take it over and over and just failed over and over and it was probably random with kills his chances even moreOriginally posted by: Baka_Desuyo
Ok, any of you who thinks there are spoilers in here are stupid, unless you haven't seen the first few episodes or something.
Anyways, I didn't think that the graduation test was the same every time, that would just be stupid. Then everyone would know to study Bunshin, so it wouldn't really be a problem.
And Naruto probably just tried to become a Genin more times than anyone else, and that's why he failed.
in the anime and the manga, kiba relives a day in the academy. most of the students have moved up a class, and naruto is there and is not really known by all the students. that makes it seem that you have to prove yourself to move up a class, and naruto has been in the same class for a long time. it also means there are many different classes of students.
this means that naruto was probably in the last class you had to pass before you became (an unofficial) genin, and Neji probably was not in his class.
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Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist
in the anime and the manga, kiba relives a day in the academy. most of the students have moved up a class, and naruto is there and is not really known by all the students. that makes it seem that you have to prove yourself to move up a class, and naruto has been in the same class for a long time. it also means there are many different classes of students.
Either that or Naruto just transferred to another class, maybe cause he was giving a kid too many problems. Just a guess.
I'm wondering, I still fels quite disturbing that Naruto hasn't become a Chunin yet???
I don't think that Naruto would have any problems beating a chunin anytime anywhere.. Or even a jounin, is it just because he isn't mature and responsable enough yet???
He should be atleast a chunin now, then perhaps we'll get forward in the series!
Another eighteen month thread brought back from the dead.
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.. Uh, beating a higher rank doesn't exactly qualify for promotion. Also, Naruto doesn't personify responsibility, either.
Also, I'm sure everyone's promoted with the consensus of numerous viewers and a group of recommendations. He'll have to be in another exam, which won't seem so far fetched in occurring now that the Leaf's going to be shown a lot, with the introduction of Sai in Konoha approaching.
The introduction of Sai is very interesting along with Tobi? Atleast the manga is going in the right direction. Ranks dont matter in Naruto. Naruto might be the first Genin to become Hokage without taking any tests.
Anyway whats the requirement to become a Hokage.
You seriously asked that question? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
The previous Hokage nominates his successor.
But, in regards to this topic ..
It's weird, because it is most likely certain that Naruto entered the Academy years before anyone else, considering the lack of parental care / guidance, and I'm sure one person or another thought it'd be a good idea for their Jinchuuriki to be well-versed. In the future, Naruto could be the leader of their shinobi ranks, etc.
In any manner, even if Naruto joined at a young age, at what point does he fail those numerous times? The only time Naruto could have failed his two or three times would be before everyone else entered the Academy around the age of ten to eleven. It had to have been before everyone joined, otherwise how would Naruto still be on their team?
He is shown in flashbacks with Shikamaru, Chouji and Kiba, and the lot of them are all cutting the same course, with Iruka-sensei constantly scolding them all. As others stated, if Naruto were to have failed the exam at any point after meeting the favored Rookie Nine Genin, they would have surpassed him and been on teams while he was still aspiring to pass.
I would assume things transpired in an order similar to this:
A. Naruto joins academy [age 9] _
At this point, he's potty-trained, can dress himself and most likely thinks he's a grown man that can fend for himself. Now, it's only time to prove that to everyone else and become a shinobi, who will someday become Hokage. Off to the Academy, Naruto goes.
Sasuke has not entered the Academy, as of yet. He is watching his brother rise up within the ranks of Konoha shinobi (presumably Itachi's a Tokubetsu Jounin / ANBU at this point), and is greatly admiring him. He'll start doing things on his own, asking his brother for help, and will soon ask his parents for permission for enlistment.
B. Naruto fails for the first time [age 10] _
Only after a year of enrollment, Naruto thinks he can handle being a shinobi. "Give me missions!" But, with horrible chakra control, little knowledge of seals, Naruto fails to no surprise of the higher-ups.
His failure, plus the mockery of his name by those that passed, adds to his obnoxious personality. He becomes more determined to best everyone someday, and hopes to proves such at the next exam.
C. Naruto fails .. again [age 11] _
With a second year, comes a second attempt for Naruto and the end results in a second failure. He momentarily becomes disheartened, but after a side talk with Iruka and other various shinobi who care, Naruto is once again brought back up and is ready to hit the next exam even harder. With Naruto being placed into the next incoming group of Academy students, and under the guidance of Iruka, Naruto is convinced that he'll be prepared enough for the life of a ninja after this year.
This incoming class of Academy students is composed of the Rookie Nine Genin, and numerous others we see amongst them during flashbacks and initial episodes. At this time, Itachi's the ANBU Division Captain, and going through his own mental / unknown turmoils with that, as well as the stress his family / Clan is placing on him for being the median between the Uchiha and Konoha.
D. Naruto finally graduates! [age 12] _
We all already know this much. Naruto is allowed to graduate. Everyone else actually succeeds in properly graduating. Teams are formed. Jounin-sensei are assigned. Sometime between the previous year and their graduation, the Uchiha Clan are slaughtered by Itachi. This changes Sasuke into the character we meet upon introduction, the avenger.
I think that about covers it. Got any feedback or criticism on things that should / could be different? Post it.
I honestly think it was said Naruto failed three times before graduating. In which case, the only thing I would change is saying he entered the Academy at the age of eight. And failed every year, at ages nine, ten and eleven.
I think the above makes sense since we do know that Sasuke was that year's valedictorian. I'd imagine everything's done annually, as Neji was the previous year's number one seed. We also know Sasuke was at least ten when he finally did enter the Academy. He tells his aunt and uncle how Itachi (at his age) had already mastered the Sharingan and graduated to either Genin or Chuunin, I cannot recall that last part.
Okay, this is too much thinking and my head's seriously starting to hurt. If more support comes to me, I'll post it. In the meantime, enjoy the read. Maybe.
The only thing I'd point out is that, as you said, we've seen the majority of the other Genin in flashbacks. And to me, they are obviously a lot younger than 11 years old. They all look about Konohamaru's age.
I've always thought ninja enter the academy at a young age (as we see Sasuke/Naruto/Sakura/rest of the Genin/Konohamaru do), and are supposed to graduate to a Genin at age 12. After that, it's up to them what they want to do. Itachi and Kakashi's stories conflict with that though, as we know they both became Chuunin at very young ages.
That leaves the quesion unanswered. Honestly, I think that if the answer is not immediately explainable, then perhaps it's just a discrepancy since it was only the first chapter.
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