You aren't paying for the fansubs. You're paying for the direct-download services that NarutoFan / NarutoInsider is going to provide you with. If you want to get caught up in legalities.
You aren't paying for the fansubs. You're paying for the direct-download services that NarutoFan / NarutoInsider is going to provide you with. If you want to get caught up in legalities.
Sounds like another NF get rich quick scheme. Those guys probably even sell fansubs on ebay.
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Direct Downloads = Lots of Bandwidth
Lots of Bandwidth = Lots of Money
Lots of Money = Hard to Find on your own
Solution = charge for use...
Pretty soon 3$ per person will not turn into a profit... but they'll actually be breaking even when around 300 people join and even b4 that money is coming out of their pockets so they will in no way make a profit. By my speculations... they'll actually be losing money b4 they ever even seen a dollar over the cost of a server to handle this type of traffic
Record companies do it all the time...Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
and isnt it forbidden by law to make money on other ppls work?
I already spoke to NF and NI and they will *NOT* be using our subs.
The new disclaimer in ep 79 and up was put in because of them and other crappy fansites trying to take advantage of the anime community.
Btw, NarutoFan owns the NarutoInsider servers.
Originally posted by: xTrunkZx
Direct Downloads = Lots of Bandwidth
Lots of Bandwidth = Lots of Money
Lots of Money = Hard to Find on your own
Solution = charge for use...
Pretty soon 3$ per person will not turn into a profit... but they'll actually be breaking even when around 300 people join and even b4 that money is coming out of their pockets so they will in no way make a profit. By my speculations... they'll actually be losing money b4 they ever even seen a dollar over the cost of a server to handle this type of traffic
You really don't know much about bw and server costs do you?
A media server costs $69 a month and includes 1 TB of bw.
So now lets do the math
300 people paying $3 a month comes out to $900 a month
13 servers at $69 a month give you 13 TB of bandwidth and cost $897 a month
Naruto 1-80 is around 14-16 GB, 300 people downloading 14-16 gb comes out to around 4.2-4.8 TB
So in total it would cost them $345 to purchase the 5 TB to maintain these 300 people.
Of course this is assuming that all 300 people download all of Naruto, obviously MOST people will NOT download all the eps and most definately will not do it every month.
In reality they would probably need less than 1 TB for 300 people since 90% of them will just download the latest episode.
So that's $69 a month to keep 300+ people happy, under realistic conditions.
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I will never pay for anything that i feel I dont need(like naruto) Dont pay for this its not worth it
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Naruto Insider is being run by a bunch of money hungry bastards. My suggestion is that we boycott NarutoFan.com and NarutoInsider.com until the names of both websites are asscoiated with greed and selfishness by the Naruto community. That would show them.
I'd like to point out that this is entirely illegal.
$3 a month is way too much for 700mb of bandwidth per month
way too much if they don't want to profit that is
Me being a newb to the downloading anime crave I think it's a wonderful thing to be able to get the anime for free. On the other hand why not help out a little donations here, but you tell me that I have to pay just to download something that comes on my palyer and says this is free and if you payed for it you were ripped off, that's something different. I say all those in favor of makeing me pay for the fan subbing burn in hot oil. lol. But seriously people if your downloads came with a pair of free movie tickets than that's cool but other wise don't even think about paying for these eps. espeaially when your not the one's who put any creative or artistic thought into this anime. and your not the ones that are subbing the eps you use. Bottom line donations are cool but a monthly plan isn't so great.
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So are all fansubs. TV Tokyo has as much a right to stop fansubbing as any american company.Originally posted by: freezel-san
I'd like to point out that this is entirely illegal.
Yes fansubbing is illegal, It's just like napster giving away free songs. But I guess TV Tokyo dosen't see it that way because most people that host the downloads are giving it away for free, btu if they look through thes sites like we do just because the love anime and saw that someone was actually making someone pay for what they have rights over they stop everyone from fansubbing and press charges on the individuals who are still trying to host eps. Thats how I feel.
I guess you missed the part where they said the prices will definitly go up for people who've registered after the first 100.So the first 100 pay $3 a month,then anything after will probably pay around $6 a month and can face price hikes.
This will be the doom of the fansub scene. End of Statement.
To provide a service you have to pay money. If you can't afford that - don't provide the service. Life is as simple as that and always was. Fansubbing did survive over the years because the only thing people tried to gain was respect.
If you translated an anime episode for others - you got respected. If you had access to a lot of cpu time to encode fast - you got respected (nowadays with 3ghz+ that sounds ridiciulous). If you were able to host some downloads on an edu line - you got respected. Respect and the love for what they do was what drove fansubs.
The very same thing drove the "nerds" that created the internet. After a while it became more attention and the first marketing salesman entered it, bringing $$ inside the play. Shortly afterward, the first lawyers came and now the net lies in ruins.
Bring money into fansubs - and the lawyers will follow.
I really hope more groups deny them to use their version. Or in a joint effort, all groups should stop fansubbing naruto, taking them away the base on which they think thay can earn a fast buck. Then they will see what they really are and have - nothing.
Fansubbing is better of without them, don't support the crack dealers!
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they're asking for the lawyers to get involved and a widespread clampdown on fansubs. if this service takes off, i think the anime distros will come down on the fansub community to make sure it doesn't happen again. It's just taking advantage of an unwritten rule just to make a few bucks. Bad business indeed.
1. fansubs are free and subsist on donations for a free service. not a pay-per-view subscription. imo, this service threatens this mantra, even if fansubs are not being used.
2. if people are hurting for direct downloads, they should just go to mirc and download the files -- it's direct and fast, at least for the large, complete episode files. there are also .rm encodes for the same episodes for the 56kers to dl as well (you just have to look).
If I was going to be paying anyone for any anime services I would want it to be the creator. End of story.
uh......narutofan.com has over $1500 in donations already.....how much more do they need to maintain servers??
i hope they've been giving out HUGE prizes, or else they're pocketing a decent amount of that
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
If it continue the way the've gone until now they will have a monthly donation rate of $3000, they can "almost" quit their regular jobs and start "stealing" not litterarly...money from narutards
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