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[Gods_Son]

Tass, the reason people get mad about off-topic posts is because it can be considered spam. If you want to talk about something else, you can make another thread about it. I can understand wanting to talk about whatever comes to mind though, and N-A-S, you really do defend every post. Could be because of your passion in each post, but you can still let some comments about your posts slide. Personally, I don't think Kabuto is that bad, he's just cunning and knows what's best to get what he wants. Orochimaru is pretty useless by himself now that he has no arms, and we'll find out about Kazekage later on.

[Mut]

true that orochimaru is somewhat defenseless without his arms against other strong ninjas like jiraiya, but orochimaru IS a sannin. i'm sure he is still quite the dangerous fellow. i'm pretty sure at this point, kakashi can take him out.

[LostAngel]

Hell yeah, but he might find someone who can heal him or something. I am sure there is someone out there strong enough to make his arms work again. Why else would they keep him alive and let him escape?? Kabuto might be able to do it somehow or know someone since he was like a medical student.

[IamSpazzy]

What happens if he teaches some dumb schmuck the body replacement jitsu and tricks that person into using it. Will he get the use of his arms back?

[tensai]

im not sure but can oros hands be healed, its not like they are hurt or anything, its like his arms went numb forever.
his connection with it is gone, the soul? of the arm was removed from the original owner.
i think that if the arm was cut off instead of its soul? or whatever was taken, then theres still a possibility to replace them with surgery or something. but a soul is a very different thing.
oh well, ill have to see whats gonna happen in the future to see if om wrong or anything.

[Baka_Desuyo]

Just a theory, but I think that because Kabuto is so cunning, he might backstab Oro at some point when he's weak, just seems like something he would do. Any thoughts?

[LostAngel]

I think he will. Orchi doesn't trust him very much, he even though he might kill Sasuke at one time when he wanted him to kidnap him. So Orchi is aware that he probably will backstab him. But Kabuto hides behind Orchi, he lets him do all the dirty work, so I think he might still want to use him as at his advantage. Just what I kind of think.

[freezel-san]

Originally posted by: LostAngel
Orchi was trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. He underestimated the village bc all he focused on was how to take care of the Hokage.

IMO, even more than he underestimated Konoha, Orochimaru underestimated Hokage. If the battle had gone as expected, he would have defeated him, and then proceeded to beat the crap out of everyone in Konoha himself without a doubt. Also, all of those who considered Gaara to be their ace in the hole clearly underestimated Naruto and Sasuke big time.

Originally posted by: Baka_Desuyo
Just a theory, but I think that because Kabuto is so cunning, he might backstab Oro at some point when he's weak, just seems like something he would do. Any thoughts?

Recall that Kabuto already kind of DID try to backstab Oro by trying to kill Sasuke at the hospital. So yeah, they aren't exactly best buddies. ;-)

[Garlannd]

LostAngel I can see why you call Kazekage a bastard for locking away that sand monster in Gaara. Especially seeing as he had people try to kill him and did alot of pyschological harm to Gaara's mind. Making him even more unstable.

However, how different is it from what was done to Naruto by the 4th? There is alot of pyschological harm still to Naruto and no assassins trying to kill him every ive minutes. There still is alot of hatred towards him by the villagers. The way you said your post made it sound like the pure fact he could imprison a monster into someone like that is why hes bad.

I personally think if you were to do that to someone that means you have a great deal in faith of their ability to contain the demons. However it is clear that Gaara was created just as a weapon. Whereas Naruto was meant to be seen as a hero who could contain a demon that threatened their village.

Judging by Gaara's monster I'd say that most likely was a threat to their village as well but instead they decided to use it as a weapon.

On a sad note I can't post at home because for some reason my computer won't let me click reply/quote/login buttons. Also it will not let me download any form of Java cuz its windows XP hooray for microsucks.

Also Mut@t@ thanks for the compliment on my sig.

[Baka_Desuyo]

The difference between Kazkage and the Fourth was that the fourth locked Kyubi inside Naruto for the good of the village, whereas Kazekage did it more for his own personal gain. The Third even said that the Fourth wanted Naruto to be thought of as a hero. So that's the main difference.

[Garlannd]

Yea I said that if you read the whole thing. The way he made it sound though put the fourth and kazekage on the same level. Which they are totally not.

[LostAngel]

Originally posted by: Garlannd
LostAngel I can see why you call Kazekage a bastard for locking away that sand monster in Gaara. Especially seeing as he had people try to kill him and did alot of pyschological harm to Gaara's mind. Making him even more unstable.

However, how different is it from what was done to Naruto by the 4th? There is alot of pyschological harm still to Naruto and no assassins trying to kill him every ive minutes. There still is alot of hatred towards him by the villagers. The way you said your post made it sound like the pure fact he could imprison a monster into someone like that is why hes bad.

I personally think if you were to do that to someone that means you have a great deal in faith of their ability to contain the demons. However it is clear that Gaara was created just as a weapon. Whereas Naruto was meant to be seen as a hero who could contain a demon that threatened their village.

Judging by Gaara's monster I'd say that most likely was a threat to their village as well but instead they decided to use it as a weapon.

On a sad note I can't post at home because for some reason my computer won't let me click reply/quote/login buttons. Also it will not let me download any form of Java cuz its windows XP hooray for microsucks.

Also Mut@t@ thanks for the compliment on my sig.

True I know. But like you said the 2 differences is what makes it good or bad. Kazekage only craves power and doesn't care much for his village other than the power he has over it and the 4th loves and cares for his and wanted to protect it with all his heart.

Now that Naruto beat the sand demon, does that means his dead and Gaara can finally get a good nights sleep? If it does I bet he will sleep for weeks! lol

[tensai]

just a minor thought, but if gaara was beaten and he became unconsious, wouldn't the sand demon bust out again and take form. I was just wondering about that.

[Garlannd]

That is a tiffy. However, if Oro did kill kaze and steal his face perhaps it was oro demanding the power. If this is the case then Oro has been playing sand all along.

[LostAngel]

Thats what I thought that Orchi had killed the Kage, but it never shows the Kazekage face because its all covered up so he could be using another jutsu. At least I dont remember them ever showing it.

[Baka_Desuyo]

Garlannd, sorry, guess I didn't read the whole thing.
Anyways, the only time you saw Kazkage's face was in Gaara's flashbacks, and I don't think it was Oro way back then.
As for the Shukaku coming out when Gaara's only unconcious, I suppose that might only happen if he was still in the right form, not human.