apparently nobody recognized oro in the prelims cause he had his hair up
oh, and a relatively normal outfit too
apparently nobody recognized oro in the prelims cause he had his hair up
oh, and a relatively normal outfit too
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I thought they showed Oro meeeting with the Kazekage at some point in the series, then again, maybe it's just me.
Well, goes without saying that there a lot of things you don't understand, the meaning of the word passion among then.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
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i still don't understand how you can say that he's too 'passionate.' then why do you think orochimaru invaded konoha? just to have a friendly fight with the 3rd, have a long talk with some tea, and then he'll just leave?
You're out of luck, I don't feel like explaining it to you. Uneducated people are boring. Besides, there's Merriam-Webster on line, you should really give it a try. Here's a hint, definition 4c...I am too lenient for my own good, after all.
Were you less ill-mannered, I'd even take my time and explain you why I said what I said. If you really were expecting any kind of serious and civilized answer, you should have used a less obnoxious tone. If you didn't get it so far, you're hopeless. And, yeah, people with a know-it-all attitude wind up learning nothing...
Now, stop clinging to my skirt. Honestly, you're worse than Sakura.
I wouldn't mind to be the surrogate mother you're looking for, but a responsible mother would teach you manners. And you're impervious to that sort of knowledge.
Since I am in a good mood, I won't be as rude as Hyuuga Neji, so instead of giving you his advice to Hinata-sama, kiken shiro, I will be polite and say kiken shite.
This brings up an interesting point of whether the Sand knew that Ochi was leading them, or if all but those closest to him thought they were still being led by the old Kazekage... Perhaps the latter, because it would be difficult to keep that kind of secret considering how many spies Konoha has.
if i remeber correctly in the manga there are a few pics refering to this topic, should appear very soon in the next few eps, maybe next week
Can't wait to find out if its relevant or not! and Neji-Aniki-Sama you scare me.
That was retarded.Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama
Well, goes without saying that there a lot of things you don't understand, the meaning of the word passion among then.
You're out of luck[...]
You'll probably find out about Kazekage/Oro pretty soon, after ep 80 you're probably gonna be wondering about something else instead though. N-A-S, stop starting fights with the same people over and over again. You seem to always think you're better than the person you fight, if you are, then let it go, and don't start shit in every thread.
v you must really like to aggravate her v
lol wow, such hatred and anger. n-a-s' post is such a typical female response when they're pissy cuz it's that time of the month. ok, i'll just forget about it.
and baka_desuyo... i don't remember the hokage and kazekage ever being together before the finals.
Thanks. See, that's how a bad guy sounds like...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Garlannd
Can't wait to find out if its relevant or not! and Neji-Aniki-Sama you scare me.
You cannot be passionate to be evil and scary. Hatred is a strong emotion, and the word passion includes *all* strong emotiions, not only love, as most people believe. You can say you hate somebody with a passion. Passion comes from the Greek pathos, which basically means suffering. And also as this meaning of disease as in pathologic or patient, The idea is that something is so powerful and overwhelming that it will possess you and instead of you acting on your own will this strong emotion will be what makes you act. So, you become the patient, not the agent.
When I said Orochimaru was actually a passionate person, I said that because invading Konoha was a passionate act. He did it for revenge. He did it because he spent years harboring hatred and resentment against the 3rd and Konoha. First and foremost, because he was rejected to be a Hokage.
Greed for power of not, and you may also consider greed a passion, there was an affective connection between him and the 3rd. Obviously at one point or another, Oro loved and respected the 3rd.
When he was rejected, and since he's the kind of guy with no understanding of what is *really* needed to be an Hokage, he became totally frustrated. And the love he once had towards the 3rd became deep hatred.
And that strong emotion brewed inside of him for all those years.
Well, Orochimaru stated that his goal was to learn all jutsus and one of the means to attain this is to take over Sasuke's body. In what does invading Konoha help his goal? Absolute nothing. There were several manners to gain trust of Sasuke and kidnap him, without having to destroy Konoha. If he had put his efford in kidnapping Sasuke, he could have had the kid already during the 2nd exam...Kabuto, for one gained the trust of team 7 and he could have taken from there. Anyhow.
Orochimaru invaded Konoha out of hatred and revenge, a.k.a, passions. It had nothing to do with the goal he stated to the 3rd. If he were totally evil, or absolute selfish, evil in my opinion, he wouldn't waste time pursuing his feelings, but would concentrate in getting Sasuke. Real selfish people don't waste time with others, they merely use others, don't have time to have fellings *towards* others.
Revenge is something you do to screw the other person. And besides the pleasure of watching the other person screwed, you don't take any personal benefit from it.
He could have eventually destroyed Konoha, but setting it as his main goal was very stupid, IMO.
Finally, as I stated, the fact that Oro was passionate was his undoing. While pursuing his revenge, he was the one who got screwed. If he wanted all the jutsus, now, he has none. Were he less passionate, there were thousands of less spetacular ways to accomplish his goals, and he might even have killed the 3rd in the process.
Besides, Oro is a piss poor strategist. He lived in Konoha, he should have known better that there would be guys with byakugan and all sorts of ninja fireworks to oppose him. A handful of Sand and Sound nin with a bib-wearing three-headed snake together with a sleeping spell that even Sakura could avoid, clearly weren't enough.
If he had a spy like Kabuto, he should have gathered intelligence about the village, instead. Neutralizing the Hyuugas and jounins like Kakashi and such, should have been a priority. See, he had two goals destroying Konoha and getting Saska...and didn't get any of them.
The fact is, he managed to get inside Konoha... but leaving there safe and sound he didn't. It's easy to invade a country... taking over it is a whole different ballgame.
IMO, Kabuto is much more of a bad guy than him. He's cold, knows how to run away when necessary, which Oro doesn't He is an accomplished doormat, and I mean by that, even if he has to take all sorts of abuse from Oro, he does that not because he loves Oro, but because doing that serves to advance his own agenda. A passionate person wouldn't tolerate that. So, he is there, putting up with a despicable snake, silently, watching and waiting, to stab him in the back, without passion. And he will do that, not in a risky and spetacular manner with which tried to destroy Konoha. But quietly and efficient, as a good evil guy should act.
Personally, I could say I hate Kabuto with a passion. Oro is scary and disgusting and all, but Kabuto is the pinnacle of insuferability. His nice guy subservient appearance does it for me. And in a story, what should a bad guy accomplish? Be hated and abhorred by everybody, with a passion...
And yeah, that was long and off-topic. But if I said what I said about Oro, it wasn't without a great deal of thinking. It would have been easier to say Oro sucks, but that's boring and not exactly news.
Let me clarify I mean you scare me like you're some kind of pyscho soccer mom person. Sure they could be a villan but I don't think you'd see many mini van insane soccer moms causing mass mayhem and death.
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funny sig dude. what happened to that elia guy.
Aww man someone already madea forum about this a few days ago and i thought up a great idea. its in the form wats the deal about orochimaru's faces?
Mut@t@, I didn't say Hokage and Kazekage met before the finals, I said Oro and Kazekage. Oh well, doesn't really matter anyways.
Wow... that was a very, very long post.... and all I got from it was Oro creeps you out, and Kabuto sickens you...
True. But, in order to get to that, I had to do some research and gather facts to support my statements.Originally posted by: Konoha Rek
Wow... that was a very, very long post.... and all I got from it was Oro creeps you out, and Kabuto sickens you...
Huh, that's sorta like Western Scientific thought works. Some people don't like to say/hear stuff such without factual support. Like when you were a kid your father told you not to do something, and you asked why, and he answered because. That kinda pisses kids off, at least pissed me off. Anyway. no law forcing anyone not to say stuff just because...
But if you are happy with Oro and Kabuto suck, there, I wrote it for you. Sorry for the long post.
Interesting progression, going from the intro and its inconsistencies to hating Oro and Kabuto with a "passion". Amazing how people get off topic so easily (I'm one to talk).
well, I made a simple observation that was contested. I really didn't need to prove my point, but believe it or not, some people like what I write. I myself was a bit flabbergasted, when I got that information... You go figure! Takes all kinds, ne?Originally posted by: Baka_Desuyo
Interesting progression, going from the intro and its inconsistencies to hating Oro and Kabuto with a "passion". Amazing how people get off topic so easily (I'm one to talk).
And, huh, I don't exactly hate Kabuto with a passion. More like it was a bit of an hyperbolical statement, coming from the fact that I actually do talk with a passion [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
lolz...you gotta defend yourself every post dont ya Neji-Aniki-sama? why do people feel the need bash the people that do exactly what you are supposed to do on a forum? talk..!
and again with anti-off-topic-ness...so what!? i enjoy writing and reading what ever feels good at that moment...what does it matter what the thread tital is? sometimes i think we crave order and organization more then the forum itself...whats the point?
and come on rek, i know you got more out of N-A-s's post then that...you are a very smart high school student riiiight?!?! =P
Orchi was trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. He underestimated the village bc all he focused on was how to take care of the Hokage. He was leaving Kabuto to kidnap Sasuke, which was a bad idea. I want more info and back story on Kabuto before I say anything about him other than his freaking cool bad guy. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, thats why I think he hangs with Orchi.
Kazekage is a freakin bastard. Just for what he done to Gaara his own son lets you know he should die a horrible death. He should die in prison and rot in hell with guaneria (how ever you spell it). I think he is worst than Orchi and Kabuto!!
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