the sealing jutsu was invented by the fourth, i believe.
the sealing jutsu was invented by the fourth, i believe.
Naruto is very likely to be the 4th's son. The only reason for its uncertainly might be that the 4th went on a sexual rampage and the mother is unknown.
ANYWAYS...I believe the biggest question is how the 4th was able to target the Kyubi. He couldn't have just grabbed it and let the Demon God do the work. The frog is nowhere near as strong as the Kyubi, so it couldn't have held it down long enough for the sealing process. Weird.
I think the fourth choose Naruto as the seal host instead of himself to keep the Kyubi's power away from evil hands.
If he had sealed Kyubi into himself, it would not go to Death's stomach, since youmas aren't like human souls, and belong to a different place. Kyubi would probably be throw back into the youma's world after the Fourth died, and someone with nasty intentions could pull it to the mortal world, like the Kazekage did with Shukaku.
Maybe the Kyubi attack years ago was not a random thing: maybe someone summoned it into the mortal world, but could not control it's powers (or unleashed them on purpose). By sealing it into a newborn baby, the Fourth made it possible to keep it under Konoha's surveillance during a whole lifespawn.
If Naruto dies, Kyubi will not really die like a mortal would: it'll only be thrown back to the other dimension where it belongs to. And from it's reaction, being locked inside Naruto is still several times better than going back home. As seen in other animes, youmas aren't too keen of their homeworld.
It could also be like this that when the 4th sealed kyubi he got kyubi inside of him and died, but before he sealed him he told the konoha village to reincarnate him, and the reincarnation of the 4th is Naruto with kyubi inside of him. and the reason for this is probobly that he wanted naruto to protect the village with his kyubi powers.
but that is only a theory though.
I thought we went over this already? It says the 4th sealed the 9 tails into Naruto, you can't seal something if you are already dead IE Naruto had to be alive when the 4th was. That is unless they lied to us but the grounds for the theory at this point are very unstable.Originally posted by: EpoC
It could also be like this that when the 4th sealed kyubi he got kyubi inside of him and died, but before he sealed him he told the konoha village to reincarnate him, and the reincarnation of the 4th is Naruto with kyubi inside of him. and the reason for this is probobly that he wanted naruto to protect the village with his kyubi powers.
but that is only a theory though.
err .... when naruto first confronts kyuubi (about the time he gets the gamabunta summon down -- in fact in the same fall) kyuubi is locked behind a giant door with a little paper seal, and he takes a swipe at naruto. He's pretty clear about it, saying something along the lines of "I want to devour you, but this gate will not open."Originally posted by: NokturnalAndy
So far it has basically worked. Kyuubi doesn't seem to want to harm Naruto after having grown up inside him. He only comes out to do Naruto's bidding and protect Naruto and his friends when Naruto really needs help.
That's episode 56 though ... about 19 minutes in. You might not be there yet, you should get there soon, since it kinda blows a hole in your "he's a nice little fox who wants to play nice" theory.
He's a demon. And a damned mean one too. He's dead straightforward about how he really really wants to just destroy and consume whatever, including his own host.
He's only let out chakra in the past out of fear for his life. In the haku arc, when naruto first felt kyuubi-powwa, it was naruto seeing a friend die and also realizing that he was next. With orochimaru, it was again an "I'm going to die" situation, and kyuubi chakra again came out. Kyuubi agrees to give naruto his chakra in episode 56, as kind of a last resort thing, realizing that if naruto dies with the seal intact, kyuubi won't survive it either. Naruto is basically blackmailing kyuubi (who has a strong drive for its own continued existence), it's not out of the goodness of his heart or to share his ability.
Even later on in the series (as far as its aired) the only time we have any substantial use of kyuubi-chakra is when naruto is seriously about to die, in a sand coffin that's about to annihilate him, and then his failed attempt in the most recent arc with itachi and kisame. Kyuubi-chakra isn't something that he can freely access and use, but in life or death situations it's there. That's the whole idea. He's learning to use it more freely, but it's still restricted, and he still largely depends on his own capacity (probably extended by kyuubi-traits he's inherited, like accelerated healing and just big capacity) for most of the stuff he does.
His latest new technique he's learning is all his own. Kyuubi chakra woulda just exploded the balloons and the ball immediately, and probably melted them too.
Then if that's the case, you could also say that the kyubi chakra could melt naruto and explode him.
No, I'll have to disagree with you on that one, complich. I think Naruto rarely uses the kyubi chakra is because he's naturally bad at chakra control. In addition, it's much harder to access the kyubi chakra than his normal chakra. It was shown several times that Naruto is able to draw out kyubi chakra on his own will, once being Gaara fight. There he said something along the lines of "give me a bit of your power", and bang, kyubi chakra at his fingertips.
He doesn't use kyubi chakra *yet* for the new technique because it's a lot harder to control. It's always easier to start with the easier stuff, which is his normal chakra.
i think u will find that the 4th is actually naruto but reborn dureing the battle [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] there will be a twist somewhere where it becomes apparent. they are 2 similar and narutp has no parents or anything he wasnt just made otuta thin air . Also wihtout the demon fox chatra he is vcery powerful just like the 4th
If the 4th is naruto but reborn how could he have 2 bodies at the same time -_-.
I think that naruto is his son because if you watch the first ep you will see that he was late, and he sealed the kyuubi in a baby who was just born. So the 4th cant be naruto.
I think he was late because of the birth of naruto.Its more likely that naruto is his son.
When Oro summoned the three coffin. Is the last coffin supposed to be the Fourth.
remember, the 3rd said the sealing technique pitched the 2 souls into eternal combat, the 4th just didn't want to fight teh nine tailed fox for an eternity, so he put kyuubi in the stomach of an infant... simple as that.
Yes, I think someone said on the boards the coffins were numbered as well( 1,2,4 )Originally posted by: kupalmaru
When Oro summoned the three coffin. Is the last coffin supposed to be the Fourth.
There's no reason to believe the 4th is sealed inside Naruto. It's very straightfoward, some of you lot are reading far too much into it. Sealing is just a general kind of technique, just because Sarutobi sealed the hokages into him with a certain technique doesn't mean all sealing requires the user to die. Not all sealing kills the enemy either...
My guess is that Naruto is the 4th's son, because
a) he looks a LOT like him
b) for some reason, we've heard nothing about the Uzumaki clan, but loads about the uchiha/hyuuga clans, and probably some more, I forget.
Jiraiya also said some things like 'you remind me of him a lot' which makes sense.
We'll find out soon enough though.
Complich, Naruto has learned to contorl the Chakra of the Kyubii more freely. It used to be a spurt of random power which came in at times he was in threat of losing life(Versus Haku, and Oro in the woods) but in the Staidum batlles with Neji he called it up, against Garaa he called it up and When Facing Itachi and the shark dude, (kisame?) he calls it up. Its not very restricted, at all.
sanitarium let me simply point out why you are wrong or simply do not have the correct information. i do not mean to offend you but i feel i must correct on some of your points.
first off you are correct in saying that not all sealing jutsus require the user to die, however this particular sealing jutsu DOES require the user to die. the user(in this situation the 4th Hokage) makes a contract with shinigami(sp?) the death god. in return for the users soul(4th hokage) the death god seals up the target(in this case Kyuubi). with the way the 3rd hokage used the jutsu on orochimaru i dont see how naruto has the seal unless he did the justu which we all can agree is impossible. my view is that since the jutsu was used on a demon the jutsu had to be altered allowing shinigami to work through naruto and seal kyuubi in naruto. i agree that the 4th is NOT sealed in naruto for one reason...naruto has gone and seen kyuubi all nice and locked up so wtfs the 4th?
i disagree that the 4th is narutos father for a lot of reasons
1. if naruto is the son of the hokage dont u think everyone would know him? and if this was a secret for whatever reason sont u think the 3rd or some other high ranking ppl that know the truth reveal it to the people?
2. you say he looks a lot like him so its his son. i think thats the worst reason you have. one example is hinata. she doesnt look like anyone in her family(blue hair?) obviously excusing the byakugan trait. hey hey could be jiraiya and tsunades son, hes got his spiky hair and tsunades hair color, why the hell not?
3. the reason why we have heard nothing of the Uzumaki clan is either a) the family name doesnt really exist and its just a name they came up for naruto(this btw can also be used to disprove the "4th hokage is naruto's father" theory b) the whole clan was killed during Kyuubi's attack(also highly improbable but u never know...) and as to why you hear of all the "other clans" like hyuuga, uchiha, inuzuka(kiba's clan), akamichi(choji's clan), and the aburame(shino's clan) is because they all have a bloodline ablity or skills unique to their clan
4. just because jiraiya may have said "you remind me a lot of him", which is pretty damn vague btw, doesn't make him the 4th hokages son. hell he could have been talking of someone completly different.
as it is now i believe that the 4th is not naruto's father not because i think so so that means its fact, but because there is so much evidence that backs it up. now u may not agree with me but if you can come up with evidence to support your theory then i will glady admit i was wrong. i think im done here...
Dont know if its been said in some other thread but IF infact the Kyubi is imortal then if the person its sealed in dies then it will be released so if the 4th had sealed it into himself when the death god killed the 4th the Kyubi would have been released and thus making the only thing the 4th did is killing himself so instead he sealed it into a baby, so when the 4th died the kyubi didnt go right back to destroying the village pointless if it had been don and he knew it
I do believe the theory that the 4th and Naruto are father and son, otherwise where would you get a new born baby from? Do you just walk up to someones house and ask to borrow one for a couple of minutes?
In episode 2 Sarutobi clearly states that the 4th wanted everyone to see Naruto as a hero and that's why he sealed the Kyubi inside of him, plus the Kyubi has a great power that can be used by anyone (otherwise Itachi wouldn't be looking for Naruto), so it would make sence that the 4th would give that power to his son.
i say the 4th is narutos father but at this point in time it is impossible to determine because of lack of evidence, however did anyone think on the frog scroll why is the 4ths name unreadable? is it so we cant see what his last name is(UZUMAKI!!) or is it so people make many threads about this topic and kishimoto can sit back and laugh at us?
What? they just didnt add it. it doesnt mean anything, your thinking to muchOriginally posted by: basey_69
i say the 4th is narutos father but at this point in <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=time&v=56">time</a> it is impossible to determine because of lack of evidence, however did anyone think on the frog scroll why is the 4ths name unreadable? is it so we cant see what his last name is(UZUMAKI!!) or is it so <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> make many threads about this topic and kishimoto can sit back and laugh at us?
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