4th, Kyuubi, and Naruto

[kuro]

the 4th hokage is not naruto's father. there is absolutly NO imformation supporting this idea at all. if the 4th was his father why does everyone treat him as an outcast? it doesnt make sense. the hero of the village sacrifices himself and and his son to stop the demon and in return the villagers treat his the son of their revered hero...like shit. very probable. also in response to danik kyuubi's power cannot be used at will. this is demonstrated when naruto is thrown of the cliff by jiraiya and has to ask kyuubi for power. this also shows that while kyuubi is sealed inside of naruto he has plenty of control of his own chakra. also just because itachi and akatsuki are looking for naruto to try and use the demons power doesnt mean its posible for them to do so. im sure one of the strongest youma is gonna let a bunch of filthy humans play around with his chakra like a tinkertoy...

[Shi_No_Shikaku]

I like the tree thing

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: kuro
the 4th hokage is not naruto's father. there is absolutly NO imformation supporting this idea at all. if the 4th was his father why does everyone treat him as an outcast? it doesnt make sense. the hero of the village sacrifices himself and and his son to stop the demon and in return the villagers treat his the son of their revered hero...like shit. very probable. also in response to danik kyuubi's power cannot be used at will. this is demonstrated when naruto is thrown of the cliff by jiraiya and has to ask kyuubi for power. this also shows that while kyuubi is sealed inside of naruto he has plenty of control of his own chakra. also just because itachi and akatsuki are looking for naruto to try and use the demons power doesnt mean its posible for them to do so. im sure one of the strongest youma is gonna let a bunch of filthy humans play around with his chakra like a tinkertoy...

Well Kyubi doesnt have choice if Naruto want to work for Akatsuki cause as someone alredy said Naruto is blackmailing him.

Kybui must give Naruto his chakra or else there is a chance naruto would die in combat and he doesn want that.

Also i think kyubi would enjoy seeing Naruto become a bad guy and work and kill for Akatsuki,he would probaly say to Naruto "kill kill them all"

[Inazuma Kami]

A question .
In N°95-96 Isn't Kyuubi Dying with Naruto when Kabuto Tried to kill him ?

[Hakeem_21]

Yes he was, he was like "what is this darkness" before Tsunade brought Naruto and Kyubi back from the darkness.

[Sanitarium]

first off you are correct in saying that not all sealing jutsus require the user to die, however this particular sealing jutsu DOES require the user to die. the user(in this situation the 4th Hokage) makes a contract with shinigami(sp?) the death god. in return for the users soul(4th hokage) the death god seals up the target(in this case Kyuubi).

Right. But that's irrelevant to whether the 4th is INSIDE naruto. The Third didn't seal himself inside Orochimaru - he died. Just like the 4th would have done, if he did the same kind of seal. And we don't even know if he did do a seal involving the death god.

1. if naruto is the son of the hokage dont u think everyone would know him? and if this was a secret for whatever reason sont u think the 3rd or some other high ranking ppl that know the truth reveal it to the people?

I think they will indeed do that. But not yet. Equally, don't you think that they would talk about the 4th more? He's the guy who saved the village from the kyuubi, and sealed it into Naruto, so don't you think he's a bit more important than the rest?

Also, the 1st and 2nd get raised by Orochi. Why not the 4th? The 4th is obviously more powerful, because of what he did to the kyuubi, compared to the nothing that we know about the 1st and 2nd. I reckon it's because it would avoid having to mention the 4th til later...and we find out the truth.

2. you say he looks a lot like him so its his son. i think thats the worst reason you have. one example is hinata. she doesnt look like anyone in her family(blue hair?) obviously excusing the byakugan trait. hey hey could be jiraiya and tsunades son, hes got his spiky hair and tsunades hair color, why the hell not?

Umm, he looks IDENTICAL.

the reason why we have heard nothing of the Uzumaki clan is either a) the family name doesnt really exist and its just a name they came up for naruto

Then they probably would have said this near the start. Notice how they specifically avoid ever mentioning anything to do with his parents. At all. No pictures or anything. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

Especially when, for instance, Kakashi or whoever is talking about Sasuke's bloodline as a genius ninja. It would make sense for either Naruto to ask 'what about mine? have I got a good bloodline?' or for someone like Kakashi to just tell him. "your parents were geniuses" or "they were hard working geniuses".

But to say NOTHING about *the* main characters family - odd, odd, odd

(this btw can also be used to disprove the "4th hokage is naruto's father" theory b) the whole clan was killed during Kyuubi's attack(also highly improbable but u never know...)

Yeah..and Sasuke's clan was wiped out too. That didn't stop about 5 eps being devoted to a flashback about it, and Sasuke constantly mentioning his brother

and as to why you hear of all the "other clans" like hyuuga, uchiha, inuzuka(kiba's clan), akamichi(choji's clan), and the aburame(shino's clan) is because they all have a bloodline ablity or skills unique to their clan

That doesn't cut it, because I would equally expect them to talk about Naruto not having a bloodline. Naruto should have asked Kakashi about if he had a bloodline or not, when the big Sharingan thing was going down.

And you know what? Of course Naruto has a bloodline. He's the main character. I might be wrong, but I suspect that many eps in the future, he actually *does* find out he has a bloodline.

And besides, it's an anime. Lots of things don't make sense. Like how people can get hit by moves when the other guy takes 2 minutes to give a commentary on how he's doing it and taking a 100 metre run up. People MIGHT know him. I'd expect they'd still be pretty pissed at him for having the kyuubi in im, even if his own father died from it.

Also, why is his clan name never spoke of? Why does the anime not give any info about it, other than his name...Sasuke, Gaara...etc...they're all lesser important characters, and it goes into detail about their past and family.

4. just because jiraiya may have said "you remind me a lot of him", which is pretty damn vague btw, doesn't make him the 4th hokages son. hell he could have been talking of someone completly different.

I never said it made him the hokages son. It's just a VERY coincidental thing to say.

And I think you take it far too seriously. At the end of the day it's a kids cartoon. It's never gonna make perfect sense.

[xiaoxue]

hmmmm i think somehow Naruto n the 4th are related in one way or another.. cause 4th seems to express extreme love for naruto from his act
1) he sealed kyuubi into naruto so he can made use of kyuubi's chakura
2) from what the 3rd said, he wann the villager to think naruto as a hero
3) from what jiraya said "forgive me 4th" after he thrown naruto into the valley

nm i think i am crapping...

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Sanitarium
Right. But that's irrelevant to whether the 4th is INSIDE naruto. The Third didn't seal himself inside Orochimaru - he died. Just like the 4th would have done, if he did the same kind of seal. And we don't even know if he did do a seal involving the death god.

he did the same technique... but i'm guessing he just performed it in a different way. the 3rd talking about the death god and the 4th was a pretty much dead give away to tell us that it's the same technique.

Also, the 1st and 2nd get raised by Orochi. Why not the 4th? The 4th is obviously more powerful, because of what he did to the kyuubi, compared to the nothing that we know about the 1st and 2nd. I reckon it's because it would avoid having to mention the 4th til later...and we find out the truth.

the general assumption is that the 3rd coffin, which was prevented from opening, had the 4th inside of it.

Umm, he looks IDENTICAL.

gai and lee look pretty similar but that doesn't necessarily mean they're related...

Then they probably would have said this near the start. Notice how they specifically avoid ever mentioning anything to do with his parents. At all. No pictures or anything. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

Especially when, for instance, Kakashi or whoever is talking about Sasuke's bloodline as a genius ninja. It would make sense for either Naruto to ask 'what about mine? have I got a good bloodline?' or for someone like Kakashi to just tell him. "your parents were geniuses" or "they were hard working geniuses".

But to say NOTHING about *the* main characters family - odd, odd, odd

not everyone has to have a bloodline or a special passed down skill. look at kakashi. he has no bloodline and they never talk about his parents.

Yeah..and Sasuke's clan was wiped out too. That didn't stop about 5 eps being devoted to a flashback about it, and Sasuke constantly mentioning his brother

sasuke's past is something that can be revealed early in the series because he isn't the main character. the main character's background is suppose to be mysterious, no?

That doesn't cut it, because I would equally expect them to talk about Naruto not having a bloodline. Naruto should have asked Kakashi about if he had a bloodline or not, when the big Sharingan thing was going down.

read my thing about kakashi not having a bloodline.

And you know what? Of course Naruto has a bloodline. He's the main character. I might be wrong, but I suspect that many eps in the future, he actually *does* find out he has a bloodline.

yes, you are wrong. not everyone has to have a bloodline.

And besides, it's an anime. Lots of things don't make sense. Like how people can get hit by moves when the other guy takes 2 minutes to give a commentary on how he's doing it and taking a 100 metre run up. People MIGHT know him. I'd expect they'd still be pretty pissed at him for having the kyuubi in im, even if his own father died from it.

Also, why is his clan name never spoke of? Why does the anime not give any info about it, other than his name...Sasuke, Gaara...etc...they're all lesser important characters, and it goes into detail about their past and family.

that is why they can go into so much detail... what is the point of revealing everything about naruto? that completely ruins the storyline because we all know that naruto is gonna become the hokage. it's just a way of story telling.


anyway, i'm not disagreeing that the 4th is naruto's father. in fact, i think it's a huge possibility. i just think that you're representing your arguments with incredibly weak supports.

[kuro]

Right. But that's irrelevant to whether the 4th is INSIDE naruto. The Third didn't seal himself inside Orochimaru - he died. Just like the 4th would have done, if he did the same kind of seal. And we don't even know if he did do a seal involving the death god.

no first off your confused the 3rd was trying to seal oro in himself not the other way around and we do kno that this was the same jutsu the 4th used on kyuubi because the 3rd says so.

think they will indeed do that. But not yet. Equally, don't you think that they would talk about the 4th more? He's the guy who saved the village from the kyuubi, and sealed it into Naruto, so don't you think he's a bit more important than the rest?

Also, the 1st and 2nd get raised by Orochi. Why not the 4th? The 4th is obviously more powerful, because of what he did to the kyuubi, compared to the nothing that we know about the 1st and 2nd. I reckon it's because it would avoid having to mention the 4th til later...and we find out the truth.

again confusion talking about the 4th is irrelevent. the focus is on naruto and why they treat him so badly if hes the son of the 4th demon fox or not.

and the 4th was about to be raised by oro. watch the eps again. see the 3rd coffin thats the 4th. the only reason he wasnt summoned is because the 3rd stopped him.

Umm, he looks IDENTICAL.

again this idea is inherently flawed. just cause they look alike doesnt mean the 4th is narutos father. he could just as easily be her brother or cousin for all you know, but again if hes related to the 4th in anyway then why do the villagers still treat him like crap, completly pissing on the 4ths legacy it doesnt make sense.

Then they probably would have said this near the start. Notice how they specifically avoid ever mentioning anything to do with his parents. At all. No pictures or anything. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

or possibly no1 knows who his parents were and he was just an abandoned baby... not very probably but just as valid as some of the other crap floating around.

Especially when, for instance, Kakashi or whoever is talking about Sasuke's bloodline as a genius ninja. It would make sense for either Naruto to ask 'what about mine? have I got a good bloodline?' or for someone like Kakashi to just tell him. "your parents were geniuses" or "they were hard working geniuses".

But to say NOTHING about *the* main characters family - odd, odd, odd

dude, wth are you talking about?

Yeah..and Sasuke's clan was wiped out too. That didn't stop about 5 eps being devoted to a flashback about it, and Sasuke constantly mentioning his brother

there was a flashback about sasuke's past because it was to help develop the current storyline.

hat doesn't cut it, because I would equally expect them to talk about Naruto not having a bloodline. Naruto should have asked Kakashi about if he had a bloodline or not, when the big Sharingan thing was going down.

And you know what? Of course Naruto has a bloodline. He's the main character. I might be wrong, but I suspect that many eps in the future, he actually *does* find out he has a bloodline.

i think mut@t@ pretty much answered this one

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as far as the whole "the 4th is naruto's father" argument goes you have not said one thing that really props up the whole idea. ill give you the possibility that the 4th could be in some way related to naruto, but until i see some proof in the anime or manga or someone has an argument that makes sense ill think that they are unrelated.