4th, Kyuubi, and Naruto

[FuzzyEyebrowz]

-Sarutobi made to kage bunshins...
-he sealed the 1st and 2nd in his kage bunshins using "the 4ths technique"...
-the seal on the stomach was exactly like naruto's...

Question:
How does Naruto have kyuubi sealed in him?

This may seem like a stupid question... but hear me out

The sealER absorbs the soul and seals it within himself, as proven by the 3rd
THEREFORE, does that mean Naruto sealed Kyuubi inside him? Well... i wouldnt think so...
So then... does that mean, the 4th made Naruto seal him?
Or even, is there some variation to this technique where he seals it in someone else's body? Obviously naruto's...

Question:
Is the 4th also inside naruto?
or even
Did the 4th's soul enter naruto, and sealed kyuubi while the 4th's soul was in naruto, therefore sacrificing the 4th's soul rather then naruto's?

I just dont get it...
I hope you guys know what Im getting at here... its kinda hard to explain right now

[Mut]

the 4th sealed the kyubi within naruto. we don't know if the 4th is also sealed within him.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

i think this is pretty much how the seal thing goes, mainly whoever calls upon the death god has already thrown away his life, bc the fouth sacrificed himself to seal the kyubi inside naruto, i dont known if he was also seal in naruto, but wut the 3rd did was sealed the 1st and 2nd inside two of his bushins, and oro's arms insided himself so he wouldnt be able to use his jutsu's anymore, so i think that the fuijin that was used is whe calling upon the death god he will grant what you want him to do but in return you lose your life. this my own opinion so im not 100% sure on it

[Feannag]

Well the way I see it that sealing jitsu the 3rd used only works on mortals. I don't think it would have worked on Kyuubi since it is a demon, technically a non-mortal, supernatural entity.

My guess is the 4th had a variation of the jitsu knowing this, and used his own life to seal Kyuubi inside of Naruto. Simply because you can't kill a demon like Kyuubi that way but it CAN be contained in a vessel of some kind...

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Also I don't think the 4th was sealed within Naruto. That would mean he technically wouldn't be dead in the traditional sense. And that would also mean Orchomaru wouldn't have been able to resurrect him as he had the 1st and 2nd, and it did show there was a third coffin the 3rd stopped.

[Nova]

There is definately no answer to this question. Not enough information is known about the 4th's sealing. I dont believe the 4th is within Naruto, more likely that the 4th, along with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Orochimaru's arms are in the death god. "Locked in eternal hate and combat" ... An unfortunate fate for the village's leaders, who all fought so hard to make the village what it is.

They say the 3rd and the 4th used the same technique, so rather than it being a variation of the same technique there was probably a problem with Kyuubi being too strong, or immortal or something. So rather than the death god taking Kyuubi's soul, it was sealed into a newborn child.

It would seem that since the seal can keep Kyuubi inside Naruto that the power of the technique must be on an infinite scale, and so it would be strange that the death god couldn't absorb Kyuubi... So maybe the 4th chose rather than sealing Kyuubi inside himself who was going to die from the technique, seal Kyuubi inside Naruto for Naruto to be able to use and control the Kyuubi's power.

That would mean that maybe Naruto wasn't just some random child chosen for this technique, and with the similarity's in appearance, and refrences to each other it is a possiblity that Naruto is the 4th son and was chosen so that Naruto could grow up and maybe use the power as a reminder of his father. But thats reaching, and a topic for a different debate.

Btw I dont read the manga or anything, aside from the anime knowledge this is mostly just intueition, probabilty, and some just pure guessing.

[SK]

I agree with Nova. I think the 4th maybe had some variation of the technique and sealed it inside of Naruto to protect him and the village. I remember in an episode someone saying the 4th did it to protect Naruto...

[androshalforc]

Also I don't think the 4th was sealed within Naruto. That would mean he technically wouldn't be dead in the traditional sense. And that would also mean Orchomaru wouldn't have been able to resurrect him as he had the 1st and 2nd, and it did show there was a third coffin the 3rd stopped.

im not exaclty sure what you mean but the forth is dead if you watch ep 01 it says he was in a life and death battle and he died after sealing the demon

and i believe the techniques used by the third and forth were completely different
1 orichmaru (snakey guy) tried to sommon 3 coffins the third would have obviosly been the 4th hokage therefore the 4th could not have been sealed anywhere else.
2 the thirds ability required close contact while the forths was obviosly done at a considerable distance
3 the soul is the experince of the user if the 4th had used that techniqe and sealed the kyubii's soul in naruto then naruto would not have acces to the kyubiis chakra but would have acces to his experience so it must have been the kyubii as a whole that was sealed while the thirds techniqe clearly targetted just the soul

[Board of Command]

Naruto is very likely to be the 4th's son. The only reason for its uncertainly might be that the 4th went on a sexual rampage and the mother is unknown.

ANYWAYS...I believe the biggest question is how the 4th was able to target the Kyubi. He couldn't have just grabbed it and let the Demon God do the work. The frog is nowhere near as strong as the Kyubi, so it couldn't have held it down long enough for the sealing process. Weird.

[Medion]

I think the fourth choose Naruto as the seal host instead of himself to keep the Kyubi's power away from evil hands.

If he had sealed Kyubi into himself, it would not go to Death's stomach, since youmas aren't like human souls, and belong to a different place. Kyubi would probably be throw back into the youma's world after the Fourth died, and someone with nasty intentions could pull it to the mortal world, like the Kazekage did with Shukaku.

Maybe the Kyubi attack years ago was not a random thing: maybe someone summoned it into the mortal world, but could not control it's powers (or unleashed them on purpose). By sealing it into a newborn baby, the Fourth made it possible to keep it under Konoha's surveillance during a whole lifespawn.

If Naruto dies, Kyubi will not really die like a mortal would: it'll only be thrown back to the other dimension where it belongs to. And from it's reaction, being locked inside Naruto is still several times better than going back home. As seen in other animes, youmas aren't too keen of their homeworld.

[EpoC]

It could also be like this that when the 4th sealed kyubi he got kyubi inside of him and died, but before he sealed him he told the konoha village to reincarnate him, and the reincarnation of the 4th is Naruto with kyubi inside of him. and the reason for this is probobly that he wanted naruto to protect the village with his kyubi powers.

but that is only a theory though.

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: EpoC
It could also be like this that when the 4th sealed kyubi he got kyubi inside of him and died, but before he sealed him he told the konoha village to reincarnate him, and the reincarnation of the 4th is Naruto with kyubi inside of him. and the reason for this is probobly that he wanted naruto to protect the village with his kyubi powers.

but that is only a theory though.

I thought we went over this already? It says the 4th sealed the 9 tails into Naruto, you can't seal something if you are already dead IE Naruto had to be alive when the 4th was. That is unless they lied to us but the grounds for the theory at this point are very unstable.

[jing]

Then if that's the case, you could also say that the kyubi chakra could melt naruto and explode him.

[Board of Command]

No, I'll have to disagree with you on that one, complich. I think Naruto rarely uses the kyubi chakra is because he's naturally bad at chakra control. In addition, it's much harder to access the kyubi chakra than his normal chakra. It was shown several times that Naruto is able to draw out kyubi chakra on his own will, once being Gaara fight. There he said something along the lines of "give me a bit of your power", and bang, kyubi chakra at his fingertips.

He doesn't use kyubi chakra *yet* for the new technique because it's a lot harder to control. It's always easier to start with the easier stuff, which is his normal chakra.

[badgats]

i think u will find that the 4th is actually naruto but reborn dureing the battle [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] there will be a twist somewhere where it becomes apparent. they are 2 similar and narutp has no parents or anything he wasnt just made otuta thin air . Also wihtout the demon fox chatra he is vcery powerful just like the 4th

[Rock-Lee]

If the 4th is naruto but reborn how could he have 2 bodies at the same time -_-.
I think that naruto is his son because if you watch the first ep you will see that he was late, and he sealed the kyuubi in a baby who was just born. So the 4th cant be naruto.
I think he was late because of the birth of naruto.Its more likely that naruto is his son.

[kupalmaru]

When Oro summoned the three coffin. Is the last coffin supposed to be the Fourth.

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru
When Oro summoned the three coffin. Is the last coffin supposed to be the Fourth.

Yes, I think someone said on the boards the coffins were numbered as well( 1,2,4 )

[Sanitarium]

There's no reason to believe the 4th is sealed inside Naruto. It's very straightfoward, some of you lot are reading far too much into it. Sealing is just a general kind of technique, just because Sarutobi sealed the hokages into him with a certain technique doesn't mean all sealing requires the user to die. Not all sealing kills the enemy either...

My guess is that Naruto is the 4th's son, because

a) he looks a LOT like him

b) for some reason, we've heard nothing about the Uzumaki clan, but loads about the uchiha/hyuuga clans, and probably some more, I forget.

Jiraiya also said some things like 'you remind me of him a lot' which makes sense.

We'll find out soon enough though.

[FearTheMullet]

Complich, Naruto has learned to contorl the Chakra of the Kyubii more freely. It used to be a spurt of random power which came in at times he was in threat of losing life(Versus Haku, and Oro in the woods) but in the Staidum batlles with Neji he called it up, against Garaa he called it up and When Facing Itachi and the shark dude, (kisame?) he calls it up. Its not very restricted, at all.

[Rek]

remember, the 3rd said the sealing technique pitched the 2 souls into eternal combat, the 4th just didn't want to fight teh nine tailed fox for an eternity, so he put kyuubi in the stomach of an infant... simple as that.