4th, Kyuubi, and Naruto

[FuzzyEyebrowz]

-Sarutobi made to kage bunshins...
-he sealed the 1st and 2nd in his kage bunshins using "the 4ths technique"...
-the seal on the stomach was exactly like naruto's...

Question:
How does Naruto have kyuubi sealed in him?

This may seem like a stupid question... but hear me out

The sealER absorbs the soul and seals it within himself, as proven by the 3rd
THEREFORE, does that mean Naruto sealed Kyuubi inside him? Well... i wouldnt think so...
So then... does that mean, the 4th made Naruto seal him?
Or even, is there some variation to this technique where he seals it in someone else's body? Obviously naruto's...

Question:
Is the 4th also inside naruto?
or even
Did the 4th's soul enter naruto, and sealed kyuubi while the 4th's soul was in naruto, therefore sacrificing the 4th's soul rather then naruto's?

I just dont get it...
I hope you guys know what Im getting at here... its kinda hard to explain right now

[Mut]

the 4th sealed the kyubi within naruto. we don't know if the 4th is also sealed within him.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

i think this is pretty much how the seal thing goes, mainly whoever calls upon the death god has already thrown away his life, bc the fouth sacrificed himself to seal the kyubi inside naruto, i dont known if he was also seal in naruto, but wut the 3rd did was sealed the 1st and 2nd inside two of his bushins, and oro's arms insided himself so he wouldnt be able to use his jutsu's anymore, so i think that the fuijin that was used is whe calling upon the death god he will grant what you want him to do but in return you lose your life. this my own opinion so im not 100% sure on it

[Feannag]

Well the way I see it that sealing jitsu the 3rd used only works on mortals. I don't think it would have worked on Kyuubi since it is a demon, technically a non-mortal, supernatural entity.

My guess is the 4th had a variation of the jitsu knowing this, and used his own life to seal Kyuubi inside of Naruto. Simply because you can't kill a demon like Kyuubi that way but it CAN be contained in a vessel of some kind...

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Also I don't think the 4th was sealed within Naruto. That would mean he technically wouldn't be dead in the traditional sense. And that would also mean Orchomaru wouldn't have been able to resurrect him as he had the 1st and 2nd, and it did show there was a third coffin the 3rd stopped.

[Nova]

There is definately no answer to this question. Not enough information is known about the 4th's sealing. I dont believe the 4th is within Naruto, more likely that the 4th, along with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Orochimaru's arms are in the death god. "Locked in eternal hate and combat" ... An unfortunate fate for the village's leaders, who all fought so hard to make the village what it is.

They say the 3rd and the 4th used the same technique, so rather than it being a variation of the same technique there was probably a problem with Kyuubi being too strong, or immortal or something. So rather than the death god taking Kyuubi's soul, it was sealed into a newborn child.

It would seem that since the seal can keep Kyuubi inside Naruto that the power of the technique must be on an infinite scale, and so it would be strange that the death god couldn't absorb Kyuubi... So maybe the 4th chose rather than sealing Kyuubi inside himself who was going to die from the technique, seal Kyuubi inside Naruto for Naruto to be able to use and control the Kyuubi's power.

That would mean that maybe Naruto wasn't just some random child chosen for this technique, and with the similarity's in appearance, and refrences to each other it is a possiblity that Naruto is the 4th son and was chosen so that Naruto could grow up and maybe use the power as a reminder of his father. But thats reaching, and a topic for a different debate.

Btw I dont read the manga or anything, aside from the anime knowledge this is mostly just intueition, probabilty, and some just pure guessing.

[SK]

I agree with Nova. I think the 4th maybe had some variation of the technique and sealed it inside of Naruto to protect him and the village. I remember in an episode someone saying the 4th did it to protect Naruto...

[androshalforc]

Also I don't think the 4th was sealed within Naruto. That would mean he technically wouldn't be dead in the traditional sense. And that would also mean Orchomaru wouldn't have been able to resurrect him as he had the 1st and 2nd, and it did show there was a third coffin the 3rd stopped.

im not exaclty sure what you mean but the forth is dead if you watch ep 01 it says he was in a life and death battle and he died after sealing the demon

and i believe the techniques used by the third and forth were completely different
1 orichmaru (snakey guy) tried to sommon 3 coffins the third would have obviosly been the 4th hokage therefore the 4th could not have been sealed anywhere else.
2 the thirds ability required close contact while the forths was obviosly done at a considerable distance
3 the soul is the experince of the user if the 4th had used that techniqe and sealed the kyubii's soul in naruto then naruto would not have acces to the kyubiis chakra but would have acces to his experience so it must have been the kyubii as a whole that was sealed while the thirds techniqe clearly targetted just the soul

[Zhan]

maybe before killing himself by sealing kyuubi the kyuubi killed the 4th by throwing a tree at him..then the 4th sealed him with his last strenght and died before the death god could consume his soul

[Gods_Son]

Kyubi threw a tree at him, good call

[Mut]

Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
Kyubi threw a tree at him, good call

LOL... this is too funny.

[Jessper]

[quote]
Originally posted by: androshalforc

2 the thirds ability required close contact while the forths was obviosly done at a considerable distance

Obviously.........

3 the soul is the experince of the user if the 4th had used that techniqe and sealed the kyubii's soul in naruto then naruto would not have acces to the kyubiis chakra but would have acces to his experience so it must have been the kyubii as a whole that was sealed while the thirds techniqe clearly targetted just the soul

Obviously.........


We don't know what happened with all this.

[NokturnalAndy]

I think it's been stated in an earlier episode or I just go the impression but...

It seems that the 4th sealed Kyuubi into Naruto (a newborn innocent child) so that it could experience being a mortal itself, since it was immortal and most likely was never mortal in an effort to make it become good. If he tried to seal it within himself, either he would've died, or Kyuubi would've taken over his body and made him become evil. So by placing it in an innocent newborn child, Kyuubi would have an extremely hard time trying to corrupt it because it was so pure and good.

Now this is a pretty big burden to place upon a child, but that's why Hokasage, Kakashi and Ikura Sensei are have been trying to make Naruto grow into a nice, good, decent human being.

So far it has basically worked. Kyuubi doesn't seem to want to harm Naruto after having grown up inside him. He only comes out to do Naruto's bidding and protect Naruto and his friends when Naruto really needs help.

Right now to me, Kyuubi seems like Naruto's guardian angel, always coming to save Naruto.

(But i'm only at episode 51... so don't mind me, just speculation)

[Eurasian]

Like what some ppl already said, a youma like the kyubi cannot just die; it's immortal. therefore the 4th cannot seal it in himself because then the soul is in the death god's stomach or whatever. yondaime chose a newborn baby so he wouldn't know that he has the demon inside of him (i'm sure ppl already mentioned all this). i think the variation of the sealing jutsu is a very good possiblity too. hm...

[Shinji Ikari]

I came up with something right now... How about this.... What if naruto is a reincarnation of the 4th Hokage, not his son or anything, the fourth born anew. He has no parents known to anyone as far as people know. No one has ever said anything about the fourth having a wife and kid or anything like that... And what's more is; Wouldn't people respect and love Naruto if it was common fact that Naruto WAS the fourth's son?

What do you guys think of this little theory of mine? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Goingin]

Can't be, cause when u say he reincarnated then he should have died while Naruto was born, and the story tells u the 4th sealed the kyuubi into baby, so the 4th died somewhere after Naruto was born

Yay!
Another theory destroyed!

[Shinji Ikari]

Well, might be a bad translation, or they might have said it very unclear to make you think of it as that... But it needent be true, or they didn't mean it as it's supposed to sound.

[kupalmaru]

When the Third Hokage summon the Death God, someone was scrucified in the Death God's belly. From the looked of it, that guy is the Fourth Hokage. It kinda make sense because he develop that jutso and the first one who use it.


Im bringing this up, because I read some post before and nobody talked about The Fourth being that guy on the Death God's belly.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru
When the Third Hokage summon the Death God, someone was scrucified in the Death God's belly. From the looked of it, that guy is the Fourth Hokage. It kinda make sense because he develop that jutso and the first one who use it.


Im bringing this up, because I read some post before and nobody talked about The Fourth being that guy on the Death God's belly.

was it ever mentioned that 4th developed the sealing jutsu?

[Death BOO Z]

what i really don't get is why people think that just becuase the 4th sealed the kyubi into Naruto and the 3rd sealed orochimaru into himself, that it means those two used diffrent kinds of jutsus...
tell me, do you guys also believe that there's a diffrence between throwing something into the trash can and throwing it into the toliet?
the process of throwing is the same, it's just that the target is diffrent...

the reason that the 4th sealed the kyubi inside Naruto is probably becuase the nine-tails is immortal and if he's sealed into a dead person, then he'll be able to 'regenrate' and come back to the world. on the other side, Orochimaru isn't immortal, so even if his soul is somehow released from the 3rd's body, his body will already be dead and useless...


Mut@t@, the 3rd said that he has to use 'that' technique and apologized to the 4th about it at some point, and since orochimaru doesn't know the jutsu, it's very likely that it's the forth's invention..

[Mae]

I don't think that it's really clear that the fourth created the technique, but we do know that Sarutobi learned it from him. Sarutobi calls it the technique of the hero who saved the village. He also commented when the death god showed up that the fourth had told him about this and that's why he knew only he could see it.

Sarutobi taught Jiraiya, and Jiraiya taught the fourth. Jiraiya could have discovered the technique I suppose, or the fourth could have learned it somewhere else entirely, but we already know he was a genious and created Naruto's new technique, so it would make sense that he made this one too.

About Ninetails being immortal........ I thought the reason Naruto was able to get chakra from it was that if Naruto died Ninetails died with him, so Ninetails had to protect Naruto out of its own self-interest. Didn't he say something like that at his "meeting" with Ninetails after being thrown off of the cliff?