naruto and his kyuubi

[originalkrn]

People say Naruto is nothing because he relies on Kyuubi to make him powerful. However, this can be said for nearly every other "powerful" character in the anime. Taking away his Kyuubi is like taking away Sasuke's Sharingan, Neji's Byakugan, Shino's bugs, and Gaara's sand. How have all these top genins NOT relied on these powers to make them powerful? And just as Sasuke learns to control his sharingan, Naruto learns to control his kyuubi. So you cant say Naruto is weak and only relies on his Kyuubi cause then all other top genins would be considered weak.

[Mut]

we know that man.

[originalkrn]

Then why do people call Naruto worthless ? Its stupid

[XwingRob]

I'm getting major deja-a-vu from this thread.
Yes, its stupid. When people criticize Naruto, they should criticize his weak taijustu, and some of his other weak skills, but not because of him controlling Kyuubi. When people are doing that, they are just fanboys of other characters in the show.
And, I'm sure Naruto is going to improve in all areas of Ninja stuff.

[Kumiriko]

You forgot Rock lee's Gates. it isnt an advanced blood limit but nether is the demon fox or gaara's sand

[Haku no Fuyu]

What about the Naruto Nisen Rendan? Thats a pretty good taijutsu.

[SkyDragon]

Originally posted by: Kumiriko
You forgot Rock lee's Gates. it isnt an advanced blood limit but nether is the demon fox or gaara's sand

The gates is Rock Lee's power. It's nothing but training to go past YOUR OWN limits.

[originalkrn]

Rock Lee is the only one with true strength. Thats why hes so cool. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Assertn]

how so? did neji not work hard to learn kaiten and the 64 hands of hakke on his own? did sasuke not have to put himself in a near death situation to obtain his sharingan for the first time? if anything, i think the strength lee has is the least cool, because its something that ANY ninja can do if they just train it alot for about a year

[SkyDragon]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
how so? did neji not work hard to learn kaiten and the 64 hands of hakke on his own? did sasuke not have to put himself in a near death situation to obtain his sharingan for the first time? if anything, i think the strength lee has is the least cool, because its something that ANY ninja can do if they just train it alot for about a year

I don't think Sasuke's being put in a life threatening situation is hard work, it's in fact bad. Neji is. And about that any ninja can do what he does in a year is jsut plain wrong! Others in the Gai's team wasn't able to learn the gates, well at least do the lotus move. Kakashi was freaking surprised when Lee opened the 5th gate, enough to call him a genius. Saying any ninja can do what he did is stupid and disrpoves what has been said about everything regarding Lee.

[GokuSonGoku]

Umm.. Didnt Gai say at a moment that he was like Lee when he was young?!?...

So there is another with true strength...

[Hyuga Koji]

I believe that Kakashi said that Lee reminded him of Gai as a kid.

Everybody has some advantage that they have and that's cool but Gaara's, Naruto's, and Sasuke's are on a higher level than everyone else's

Their powers come from someone else

Gaara has Shukaku, Naruto has Kyubi and Sasuke has his seal

Neither Neji nor Lee call on anyone else's strength but their own.

However everyone but Neji and Gara are still great without their advantage

Naruto without Kyubi is still damn powerful
Sasuke without Sharingan and seal was number one rookie
Lee without gates is still one ill mofo

But Neji without Byakugan is about as useful as Hinate was in her fight against him.
And we haven't seen Gaara do much of anything without his sand

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: Hyuga Koji
Everybody has some advantage that they have and that's cool but Gaara's, Naruto's, and Sasuke's are on a higher level than everyone else's

True, Sasuke is in a higher level of annoyance, arrogancy and lack of character, even higher than Neji.
Sasuke was about to give up the scroll to Orochi, and the only thing that stopped him was Naruto stating a few facts to him: That he was stupid and a coward.
His brother can kick his ass any time, and did so, it would be an educated guess to say that even a younger Itachi could kick Sasuke's ass without breaking a sweat.
He feels weak, and would kill Naruto just for the sake of feeling more powerful. I mean...that's just despicable.
In any case, he knows that he's weak, but instead of developing his sharingan he takes a short cut straight to Orochimaru. He has none other than Kakashi to train him, on a 24/7 basis, considering that he wouldn't train Naruto, and let that asshole Ebishu do the dirty work.
Yet, that is not good enough for that little bastard. Judging by Neji, who learn the Kaiten by himself, if Sasuke was actually worth anything, he'd learn the sharingan tricks by himself. Copying jutsus is pretty much like knowing to write your name compared with being able to write James Joyce's Ullysses.
He's just a way overrated primadonna.
And Chouji, despised by everybody, is the only one with some brains there. He knows that compared to Sasuke and Neji, Shika is way more of a genius than putting them two together.

And here is my question: Sasuke threw away his Konoha forehead protector. Will he ever be able to wear it again?

[jing]

Whoever said Naruto is worthless is wrong. Ok?

by the way HOKAGE OWNS all.

[originalkrn]

Rock Lee worked EXTREMELY hard and had fought with his will to open the gates. Unlike Sasuke , where he acquired the ability to use his sharingan in a matter of a day. It didn't really take much for him to achieve it. I dont know how much Neji worked, but im pretty sure its not as much as Lee

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: Haku no Fuyu
What about the Naruto Nisen Rendan? Thats a pretty good taijutsu.

It's just two thousand times a bad one. More fitting for a boxer than a ninja.

[Hotsuma]

People who say Naruto is strong, because of his Kyuubi, are a bunch of Kyuubi nut-huggers. Not Naruto fans. However, I think Naruto is much more interesting without the entire "secret power" gimmick going for him. I'd rather see him use his whits, spirit, and smarts to defeat an enemy, as opposed to out-muscle in chakra because of the Kyuubi chakra.

I also cannot fucking stand people who deify Naruto, BECAUSE of the Kyuubi chakra. People seem to elevate it to the point, where it's unbeatable. A lot of the posters here need to realze, Kyuubi chakra, and Kyuubi himself are two totally different things. Saying "Naruto is the best because he has Kyuubi!" is a load of crap.

[Stoopider]

Originally posted by: originalkrn
Then why do people call Naruto worthless ? Its stupid

Who said IT?? Lets beat him up.. YEah!!

*Rally's a mob of the Konoha Ninja Lovers carrying big ninja friggin weapons!!*

[Hyuga Koji]

Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama

Originally posted by: Hyuga Koji
Everybody has some advantage that they have and that's cool but Gaara's, Naruto's, and Sasuke's are on a higher level than everyone else's

True, Sasuke is in a higher level of annoyance, arrogancy and lack of character, even higher than Neji.
Sasuke was about to give up the scroll to Orochi, and the only thing that stopped him was Naruto stating a few facts to him: That he was stupid and a coward.
His brother can kick his ass any time, and did so, it would be an educated guess to say that even a younger Itachi could kick Sasuke's ass without breaking a sweat.
He feels weak, and would kill Naruto just for the sake of feeling more powerful. I mean...that's just despicable.
In any case, he knows that he's weak, but instead of developing his sharingan he takes a short cut straight to Orochimaru. He has none other than Kakashi to train him, on a 24/7 basis, considering that he wouldn't train Naruto, and let that asshole Ebishu do the dirty work.
Yet, that is not good enough for that little bastard. Judging by Neji, who learn the Kaiten by himself, if Sasuke was actually worth anything, he'd learn the sharingan tricks by himself. Copying jutsus is pretty much like knowing to write your name compared with being able to write James Joyce's Ullysses.
He's just a way overrated primadonna.
And Chouji, despised by everybody, is the only one with some brains there. He knows that compared to Sasuke and Neji, Shika is way more of a genius than putting them two together.

And here is my question: Sasuke threw away his Konoha forehead protector. Will he ever be able to wear it again?

Sasuke wasn't about to fight a hopeless fight that would result in death for a scroll in his mind his options were a. give up the scroll and possibly live or b. fight and die.

In his fight against Naruto he could have easily used his new fast chidori and speared Naruto outright if that was his goal, he whipped out his killing jutsu after Naruto whipped out his. Both Jiraiya and Kakashi were shocked that Naruto would use that jutsu against a teammate. Sasuke wanted to kick his ass not the right decision but understandable considering what went down.

Kakashi trained him against Gaara because he wouldn't be able to do well with Naruto he doesn't truly understand either of them but he is closer to Sasuke in similarity.

Besides Neji would kick Naruto's ass and end it there he had more than enough reason to mess up Hinata worse than he did but he showed mercy and he has no beef with Naruto.

Gaara would have killed and or maimed Sasuke i think it's obvious who needed more help.

Kakashi isn't going to train Sasuke to commit murder so he's not going to get the power to fulfill his ambition with Kakashi he wanted power and you could have seen his departure coming more than 100 chapters before it happened.

I would like it better for Sasuke to be on his own and not come back to the leaf for a long time but i see him coming back eventually.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: SkyDragon

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
how so? did neji not work hard to learn kaiten and the 64 hands of hakke on his own? did sasuke not have to put himself in a near death situation to obtain his sharingan for the first time? if anything, i think the strength lee has is the least cool, because its something that ANY ninja can do if they just train it alot for about a year

I don't think Sasuke's being put in a life threatening situation is hard work, it's in fact bad. Neji is. And about that any ninja can do what he does in a year is jsut plain wrong! Others in the Gai's team wasn't able to learn the gates, well at least do the lotus move. Kakashi was freaking surprised when Lee opened the 5th gate, enough to call him a genius. Saying any ninja can do what he did is stupid and disrpoves what has been said about everything regarding Lee.

um no......its not......
the point of lee being a hard worker is because that is what made him into something better than, say, those useless samurai that gatou had

only lee could do the lotus move BECAUSE he kept training in taijutsu....im not sure how hard unlocking gates is, but apparently it doesnt require any bloodline, ninjutsu, or genjutsu ability.....
also, to say that any ninja can do what he did does NOT disprove what has been said, because the difference between lee and any other ninja is that lee works harder than any other ninja, not that lee was born with any talents that others don't have (hence why he's not a genius type)

if it was impossible for anybody else to gain the abilities that he has, then THAT would be stupid and disprove what has been said about everything regarding lee