Eps 78 & 79

[freezel-san]

Originally posted by: Konoha Rek
He took lead in the "forest of death" or whatever... yeah... and Chuunin are not supposed to be leaders of a tactical group. Chuunins make up the tactical group. What they were doing in the forest, going to get Sasuke, that was a Chuunin Tactical Team. Sakura was screwing around, but Shika was doin a damned fine job... I think Naruto is like the bazooka thick necked army types carry around.... kinda hinders your progress, but will destroy all.

Also, Naruto wasn't really ready to become a Genin, but Iruka bumped him up, and he did fine... he adapts when he has to, they will make him a chuunin, and he'll get stronger by being the least tactical... expect more jutsus (stealth and spying) from this boy

If I recall corrently, Chuunins ARE supposed to be able to lead squadrons -- it says so in one of the episodes.

Iruka-sensei did bump him up, true. But he was only supposed to be goin on rank D and C missions -- not exactly putting his, or (more importantly) anyone else's life on the line.

I still have yet to Naruto prove that he is capable of true ninja tactics, let alone leading a group of people in them. Becoming a Chuunin is taking on a whole new level of responsibility that Naruto simply isn't qualified to take on.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
It's a lot easier to be a gennin than a chuunin though. And when did he take the lead in the forrest of death?

He did come up with the idea of turning his clones into to Sasuke,Kabuto,Sakura to fool the ninjas who attacked them[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Garlannd]

Shikamaru has my vote for chuunin! Sasuke doesn't desrve to be yet he is too reckless same with Naruto and Neji. Temari was too easily led into a very nicely set trap by Shikamaru. Shino never got a chance to show off his skils but if we were to base on teh forest I'd say he has somewhat a fair chance to be a Chuunin.

[Destroyor]

I said theses before in the manga forum, and I will repeat there here again.

"Don't confuse cunning with wisdom/good tactic."
"A Chuunin needs to have brain;Jounin is brain + power. Naruto = power alone, therefore Naruto < Chuunin < Jounin"


End of story.

[Assertn]

yeah but you do need power to be able to stand any sort of a chance in the other parts of the exam prior to the main matches

[Rek]

I think he means Genin needs Talent, Chuunin needs brain, genin needs power.... its assumed that you need previous requirements to be up there, so brain+power is repetitive

[MemnochTheCaT]

I wonder if getting a copy of Come Come Paradise is one of the benefits of being a Jounin [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]

[Gaz]

MemnochTheCat: I didnt double post, dont tell me you missed out on one of my amazing posts [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

I watched both episodes again today and yes, back to back, they are still the best 2 episodes so far, however , without all the buildup and character development nethier would be so 'amazing' off their on merit.

One thing that catches me is with Kakashi and Gai fighting other Chunin's/Jounin's , they use absolutly no seals and just hand-to-hand combat. Yet still manage to beat all those sand ninja [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

It was so good to see Sasuke being helpless and squriming while Naruto was taking control of the scene and protecting the village. Just to see Sasuke's pride and big-headedness knocked away. Oh yeah! , I dont care what rank Naruto should be, it was so good to watch Sasuke's reaction to Naruto beating gaara in a fight that Sasuke never could have won.

BTW I understand it wasnt really Naruto , it was the frog boss that did all the hard work, but hey , Sasuke couldnt summon him just yet [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] (by now you can probably tell I dont like Sasuke because of his attitude and big-headedness).

*Edit for spellings [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
naruto is a joke. i'd say the things he does is about 80% kyubi and 20% him.

so? it's still Naruto he just rules. period [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Only Jiraiya is stronger then him at the moment [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Rek]

...we haven't seen Oro's boys... and I doubt he could still get Kakashi...

[Gaz]

you mean the 4 holding up the walls , I think they will go down quite easily , probably one the Konoha Jounins go down fighting to make the storyline interesting but I dont think there is much loss and killing to be had on Konoha's side of things....

Kakashi's stronger than Naruto , and all the Genin's so far Imho, but that cant be argued either way because we havnt seen Kakashi fight full-on without having to worry about any genings getting in the way... I think over the next 10 or so Eps Sasuke will get more stronger and prove himself stronger than Naruto again , then the old rivalry will kick in again. Generally speaking as I already said, you cant compare any of the genins for ranks that they 'should' have because no-one has seen them fight anyone higher than their own rank in one-on-one combat. Even Gaara , as hard as he is , was still a genin , albeit a strong one.

Going by the battles we see the Genin's have, the Hokage battle was pretty mediocore, little action and just a story filler for the history of konoha. Naruto is strong as a Genin, but still needs to develope further of course [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] .... leading onto the next story arc. I hope he stays ahead of Sasuke now (I dont like Sasuke [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] )

[logic]

You're kidding, right.

Gaara is more than genin, but was kept at that rank for their (sand) mission into konoha, it fit with their 'plan' on coming into the chuunin exam, along with orichimaru's subordinates, to start the attack. Gaara was intentionally kept at genin level, you can't in your right mind think he is just a genin for real.. don't be stupid.

Further, according to your theory that if you rank is a genin you suck, and if your rank is a jounin you rule, your a fool.

Kabuto, orichamaru's spy, a genin.

'Nuff said.

[Gaz]

Well no , not 'nuff said really.

I see what you are saying there and I agree with you, of course there are better people who are Genins than who are Chunin's but your forgetting the point that these titles need to be earned through examination. Until you have passed the exam, you would still be the grade you was at , even if, technically, you have shown that you are greater than your current rank suggests.

Im not being 'stupid' , I find it hard to read subtitles and may have missed a few things. The other two with Gaara obviously arnt that strong/skillful compared to some of the other genins.

OT : even I wasnt so arragant as to start on the forum and on near enough the same day start giving abuse to other people posting here for no apparent reason. Get some respect for your fellow Naruto fans would you.

[Rek]

what ever.. I agreee with logic. And if your having trouble reading, you should prolly keep your opinions to your self there bub. Anyways... of course Sasuke is gonna get stronger than Naruto, simply because that is what his character is meant to do. They would kill him off before they made him weaker than Naruto...

and thanks logic for reminding me about Kabuto.... I think he will fight Kakashi, given their previous frays, and since Oro told Kabuto so much, a lot of Kakashinformation will ensue, but I'd expect that in a week or two. So, Gaz, you'll get what you want. I think.

...what ev... Raws out, so there will be a craptastic SO sub by friday

[LegendarySenninJiraiya]

i dont care what anyone says, naruto is a good ninja, not even the jounin see thru many of his techniques, for instance the way he beat neji and the trick he pulled on kiba, sure he keeps it simple, but hes a genin, and if it aint broke dont fix it, u guys can say naruto sucks or you hate him but you all know it isnt true and you probably all cheer him on when it's going on, also, pretty soon we'll see naruto doing some more extraordinary stuff so ull eat your words and feet all at once

naruto is a good ninja, in fact hes a very good ninja, hes just a very good genin and i dont think there are any genin in the world of naruto that oculd beat him, in fact i'd have a hard time seeing chuunin beat him

also about the Gama Bunta thing, to go with what the basic rule of anime fact is if a char. says it it's true, Naruto said himself when he called on the big power (Kyubi) he uses a "red" chakra, and u see in the show everytime he uses it he turns red, in the ep he called Bunta with blue chakra, he was yet to run out of chakra, despite being very low afterwards, so the fact that only the 3rd Hokage can call/take control of Gama bunta shows u that he has enormous chakra stamina/potential, kakashi even says he will surpass "us all" some day, there are no grounds in the series thus far to label him a bad ninja, poor chakra control does not make u a poor ninja, if thats the case sakura is one of the best ninjas out there and thats not even marginally true, if you havent noticed, naruto's combat strategies when he forms them are much like shikamaru's, and he doesnt sit there behind a tree while thinking of them, he does it on the spot and they work, and he has more htan enough chakra/power to pull em off, so have whatever gripes u must about naruto hes still a great ninja, just a lil rough around the edges like them all, cuz they are all genin

but one thing i must say about Naruto is that he is by no means chuunin/jounin material, he cares too much about the fight, gets too emotional, will burn himself out to prove a point, he doesnt think safely, he thinks about winning at all costs, that's good for a mindless warrior, not a chuunin and not a jounin who will be putting genin in danger, so the moral of the story is naruto = good ninja, naruto=strong, good stamina without kyuubi, but naruto = unfit to lead/ unfit to be chuunin/jounin

[Uchiha-Itachi]

What can kakashi do against Gamabunta + Naruto (powered by Kyubi) at the same time? be realistic Naruto ownz teh place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Naruto for sage! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] gamabunta + kyubi powah !!! not even Itachi stands a chance imo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[kawarimi]

How do you know Naruto isn't a chuunin? Well not officially, but if the chuunin exam finished, I think all those who fought would become chuunin. If you say "Why do you think Naruto is still a genin?", it's because he hasn't taken the chuunin exam yet! (It hasn't finished.)

They displayed high level jounin technuques (Neji, Gaara, Naruto, Sasuke). Shikamaru showed great tactics. They can become chuunin because their techniques make up for their other shortfalls. They don't need to be super good all round to become chuunin, because they'll learn those after they become chuunin by getting more experience.

Fighting Gaara was an A rank mission. Didn't Kakashi say that to Sakura at the stadium? (Can't remember but probably not because nobody else mentioned it.) Naruto can use high level techniques, and has enough chakra control to walk on water. He even copied Sasuke's (who copied Lee) taijutsu in the preliminaries. His strategies are smart too (examples mentioned before in this thread). Naruto's good all round, deserving to be a chuunin (not Jounin).

How can you compare with Hayate? We haven't seen him do very much so we don't know his potential. People talk like Hayate's not very good. Anko's probably very good as well since she was taught by Oorochimaru.

[freezel-san]

Originally posted by: Gaz
Im not being 'stupid'

You're not being 'stupid,' you're just being plain stupid. User 'logic' is 100% correct.

As for Naruto being stronger than everyone other than Jiraiya.... that is preposterous.

Most of the konoha jounins could kick his ass, especially Kakashi. Summoning gambunta is a nice idea -- except that no one would ever allow him to complete the summoning.

Also, Naruto doesn't seem all that consistent on being able to summon the frog boss. He seems to have a lot of difficulty using fox demon chakra unless he and/or his friends are in mortal danger. Recall that the first time he tried to summon him, he failed and summoned his absolutely tiny son. We've seen Naruto's shadow clones get beaten a million times. Naruto's cannot even peform his one significant ability -- summoning the frog boss -- on a reliable basis.

If there were a death match between Naruto and Sasuke, I would definitely put my money on Sasuke. He is a much better ninja in almost all respects, and he is so fast with Lightning Edge that he could probably get to Naruto before the frog boss could stop him, if Nartuo even managed to summon him.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Yeh keep on underestimating Naruto ...

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Uchiha-Itachi
What can kakashi do against Gamabunta + Naruto (powered by Kyubi) at the same time? be realistic Naruto ownz teh place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Naruto for sage! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] gamabunta + kyubi powah !!! not even Itachi stands a chance imo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

too bad naruto won't have a chance to summon anything or even get to kyubi state. kakashi would put his chidori right through naruto's face before naruto can cry about being weak.