Eps 78 & 79

[MemnochTheCaT]

You've got some interesting points, Superman, but you must remember that it was a cooperative effort of both Naruto and Gama, they would both have lost fighting individually. Gamabunta was the one that explained the way Gaara was the medium and had to be awoken, etc .. and the one who explained the need for the henge, and also supplied most of the muscle for the battle.

Naruto by himself would have been totally destroyed by Shukaku, for that matter even Jounin-class ninja would probably have a hard time surviving the encounter unless they could summon something to match shukaku in size/speed/range/defense/offense. Shukaku seemed to be even slightly more powerful than Gamabunta, he was at his limit when Naruto finally knocked Gaara the fuqq out [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Edit : OT, I think that Naruto certainly has some Jounin-level capabilities, but isn't worthy of that rank yet, and probably for some time.

My take on Naruto's abilities :

Physical Strength : Chuunin level
Chakra Strength : Jounin level
Taijutsu Ability : Genin level
Genjutsu Ability : Genin level
Ninjutsu Ability : Chuunin+ level
Tactics Ability : Chuunin level
Command intellect : -Genin level
Strength of will and heart Ability : Hokage level

[Superman]

Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
You've got some interesting points, Superman, but you must remember that it was a cooperative effort of both Naruto and Gama, they would both have lost fighting individually.

Oh, without a doubt Naruto could not have beaten Gaara without Gamabunta. That is just like saying Naruto would not have beaten Kiba without Kagebunshin. That is one of his ninja techniques. You can't forget that Gamabunta is a summon. He does not exist without a powerful ninja to summon him.

Naruto's total power = Naruto's normal power + Gamabunta's Power

[Shakugan]

damn you are all flaming naruto why do you watch the show anyway its name is naruto not sasuke or anything naruto just plain ownz in the whole show and in these 2 eps he just shows us that hes not the everage dumb kid your all saying he is

and....

i think you should all remember that its possible that inside naruto not just kyuubi but also the 4th could be so that would mean maybe the blue chakra he uses to summon gamabunta comes from the 4th...
I was thinking about and i gues it was like i need to protect every one and all the dudes in konoha say that the 4th had love for the whole village and wanted to protect every one so maybe BIG TIME naruto is strong because hes just 4th reincarneted(or something like that) and maybe he isnt good in using his original chakra because of stupid foxie inside but damn flaming naruto that's just dumb...

[MemnochTheCaT]

When did I ever flame Naruto? He's one of my favorite characters, and I believe that in time he will achieve his goal of becoming Hokage. All I did was express my opinion that while he shares some measurments of Jounin-level strengths, he isn't quite worthy of all the responsiblities that such a title requires at this time. He still has a lot of growing to do (in many ways), before he is ready for that. That isn't flaming Naruto, it isn't even a criticism .. it's just honesty, with no ill intent whatsoever.

[Gaz]

After reading everything being argued here, it seems to me EVERYONE
is reading far far far too deeply into what has happend in the series.
Just relax, its an Anime, for entertainment to make you happy and
enjoy what you are watching.

The way I see it is that, so far all battles have been against equals.

Hokage vs Hokage through to Genin vs Genin.

The only time this has been miss matched was during the much argued
about A rank mission.

At the end of the day, Naruto is rock solid. The main reason he could
not regulate his chakra was not due to kyuubi being inside of him,
but due to the seal that was placed upon him during the chunin exam.

No-one, and I mean, NOONE can say anything related to what level
naruto should be at this time as we have only seen Naruto(genin) VS
other Genin's. Another point is that the Genin rookies are constantly
being described as the best in the last 5 years due to the way they
kept beating older, more "stronger" oponents.

The higher rank ninja seem to use little techniques at all other than
hand-to-hand combat skills. Look at the way Kakashi fights the sound
ninja even though he apparently is the "copy Ninja" and knows 1000's
of techniques. He has used approximatly 5-10 techniques, and a whole TWO
that are memorable in 79 episodes.

I have come to my statements above through watching the Anime, I have
never read and do not wish to read the Manga (unless Naruto gets
Licensed [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] ). Going by what has been seen in the Anime, genins
fighting genins, you just cant say a good arguemnt about proposed
ranks that characters should be. You just havnt seen enough fighting
between higher rank ninja's.

To say Naruto should be a Jenin is stupid as no-one who has seen the
Anime has watched him fight against a higher ranked Ninja in One-on-One
combat.

Finally to finish up, ALL of the Genins we have seen were put forward
for the Chunin exam, this means ALL of the genins should have had
the potential to gain this rank and as such arguing over who should
actually be a chunin is pointless.

episodes 78/79 have been the best yet and I cant wait for more!!!!

[Uchiha Barles]

MemnochTheCaT, wow, that seems like a fair assesment of naruto's skills. Although, on the physical strenght department, I might be inclined to give him jounin strenght because of he just doesn't stay down despite the abosolutely incredible beatings he gets, based and then still wins the fight by either punching or kicking the opponent all in the face. And his fist seems to knock people out like no one elses (except gai).

Another category that might worth looking at is situational analysis outside of combat, like avoiding traps and the like. Not sure what grade he'd get that though. Probably genin based on the first exam. But he did notice the dead boars in the zabuza fight and knew to go back and save the little kid and his mother

[MemnochTheCaT]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
MemnochTheCaT, wow, that seems like a fair assesment of naruto's skills. Although, on the physical strenght department, I might be inclined to give him jounin strenght because of he just doesn't stay down despite the abosolutely incredible beatings he gets, based and then still wins the fight by either punching or kicking the opponent all in the face. And his fist seems to knock people out like no one elses (except gai).

You might be on to something there, but I was a little conservative because of what some Jounin have done. Remember Gai doing the bruce-lee punch that tossed that guy through the wall like a rag doll? Or the slight tap from Jiraiya's finger that sent Naruto hurtling through the brush straight over a cliff? Then again, compared with someone like Hayate, Naruto's raw physical strength may be at least comparable, if not superior. In the end, I chose my estimate because of the relatively few examples of Jounin strength that we have witnessed. I have edited my other post with a new catagory, however [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]