gai's not stupid, just a social misfit.....he knows what he's doin out in the battlefield
gai's not stupid, just a social misfit.....he knows what he's doin out in the battlefield
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Gai is definitely not stupid. Look at Kakashi's students and look at Gai's. Look at Kakashi and look at Gai from what we've seen of both of them they seem equal but Gai seems to be the better teacher.
Naruto doesn't have jounin skills in anything but chakra. The OP said that Naruto and only a few stronger jounins can beat shukaku so that makes him strong. THat's wrong. He had gamabunta which is the summon of 1 of the legendary 3 and the summons seem around the power of them and he still lost. I doubt any jounin will be able to beat him unless they can someoen get all the way to Garaa and wake him up. It wasn't even Naruto's plan, it was gamabunta's, they would have lost if there wasn't soemoen as strong as Gamabutna holding shukaku.
Naruto is in no way a jounin in anything aside from chakra as I said just now. No proof to say that he is otherwise.
Naruto probably isn't a jounin, but I'm positive he is chuunin level as far as grasping the situation is concerned. Look at the second exam: When sasuke was ready to give up the scroll against orochimaru, It was naruto that understood the situation. No matter how strong the opponent was, giving up the scroll was not an option because there was no guarantee that they would left alone. And he was able to see this in the middle of a situation that had even sasuke leaking in his shorts. Nevermind that there really was no chance of survival since it was orochimaru they were facing, because no one did at the time (except maybe gaara, who knows).
The second time he showed leadership ability was when the were fighting those ninja that had goop-like replications. The strategy to defeat them was naruto's. As a refresher, he made some of his shadow replications look like the other team members and kabuto. The purpose was to tire the opposing team out while the real sasuke, sakura, and kabuto hid and relaxed, thus, putting them in a position to hand the opposing team their ass. (Sure he went and ignored his own strategy by winning that fight totally by himself, but again, ignore that. :-P)
To finish up this long post, sure people like sasuke and neiji have better understanding of the situation when not in combat, but in combat, naruto's understanding of the situation is second to no one except shikamaru (remember the zabuza kakashi fight), and combat-sense is as important as pre- combat sense if you can call it that. Naruto is chuunin level.
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for those who are arguing about the A rank mission naruto 'did' listen to this. you guys are forgetting the most important thing of being a ninja. stealth. which naruto lacks 100% of. he has no skills spot out the little things that would make him a ninja that can do A rank missions. naruto has only faced his opponents when it was a face to face ordeal. NEVER has he ever faced an encounter where stealth was involved. the point is, naruto would not even have the chance to go face to face with an opponent like haku or someone like him, naruto would just get killed without ever knowing it.
You're right about naruto lacking stealth, but stealth has a major purpose, and that is to surprise the enemy. Naruto is most definately not lacking in that. I won't even bother to list the times it's been shown in the anime.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
for those who are arguing about the A rank mission naruto 'did' listen to this. you guys are forgetting the most important thing of being a ninja. stealth. which naruto lacks 100% of. he has no skills spot out the little things that would make him a ninja that can do A rank missions. naruto has only faced his opponents when it was a face to face ordeal. NEVER has he ever faced an encounter where stealth was involved. the point is, naruto would not even have the chance to go face to face with an opponent like haku or someone like him, naruto would just get killed without ever knowing it.
omfg~~
first we are discussing the completely idiotic idea of Naruto being anything past his official lvl (which is ofcourse nonsense) and next we are talking about FXING STEALTH, which is ofcourse the main-attribute of every ninja in every anime EXCEPT NARUTO!!!
Ninja in Naruto get to make their own!! strategies, you know what makes Naruto so strong, the fact that at first, he has a girl to protect and in the end, its a town. and the good thing about that, is that he is going to give himself fully to this purpose.
Protecting the "weak".
Naruto only "cares" and does not "think" , but his pure instinct is actually basically EXTREMELY AWESOMELY good at replacing this failure of his, no???
Why for crying out loud dont we let Naruto be the guy that he is and pleaaaaaaaaaaaseeeee, dont mess wiht GAI, GAI ROXOR!!!
besides, if Naruto was really stupid, he would also be very dead already.... the future will show you.
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Kage Busin no-jitsu is a jounin level skill as is summoning gamabunta in the first place. ITo say tha the only won because he had gamabunta is to ignore the fact that summoning gamabunta itself is a skill.Originally posted by: SkyDragon
Gai is definitely not stupid. Look at Kakashi's students and look at Gai's. Look at Kakashi and look at Gai from what we've seen of both of them they seem equal but Gai seems to be the better teacher.
Naruto doesn't have jounin skills in anything but chakra. The OP said that Naruto and only a few stronger jounins can beat shukaku so that makes him strong. THat's wrong. He had gamabunta which is the summon of 1 of the legendary 3 and the summons seem around the power of them and he still lost. I doubt any jounin will be able to beat him unless they can someoen get all the way to Garaa and wake him up. It wasn't even Naruto's plan, it was gamabunta's, they would have lost if there wasn't soemoen as strong as Gamabutna holding shukaku.
Naruto is in no way a jounin in anything aside from chakra as I said just now. No proof to say that he is otherwise.
As far as being able to make the statement that naruto is chuunin level, I'm partly using Sasuke as a reference since in episode 68, the examiner said that he was chuunin level. So, if sasuke is chuunin level, so is naruto based on what I said earlier, and things other people said in earlier replies.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
naruto sucks as a ninja. i'm sorry you cannot notice that. naruto is still far from being a real ninja.Originally posted by: ?igma
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
for those who are arguing about the A rank mission naruto 'did' listen to this. you guys are forgetting the most important thing of being a ninja. stealth. which naruto lacks 100% of. he has no skills spot out the little things that would make him a ninja that can do A rank missions. naruto has only faced his opponents when it was a face to face ordeal. NEVER has he ever faced an encounter where stealth was involved. the point is, naruto would not even have the chance to go face to face with an opponent like haku or someone like him, naruto would just get killed without ever knowing it.
omfg~~
first we are discussing the completely idiotic idea of Naruto being anything past his official lvl (which is ofcourse nonsense) and next we are talking about FXING STEALTH, which is ofcourse the main-attribute of every ninja in every anime EXCEPT NARUTO!!!
Ninja in Naruto get to make their own!! strategies, you know what makes Naruto so strong, the fact that at first, he has a girl to protect and in the end, its a town. and the good thing about that, is that he is going to give himself fully to this purpose.
Protecting the "weak".
Naruto only "cares" and does not "think" , but his pure instinct is actually basically EXTREMELY AWESOMELY good at replacing this failure of his, no???
Why for crying out loud dont we let Naruto be the guy that he is and pleaaaaaaaaaaaseeeee, dont mess wiht GAI, GAI ROXOR!!!
besides, if Naruto was really stupid, he would also be very dead already.... the future will show you.
naruto needs to learn that being so loud and damn clumsy will end up getting killed against stronger opponents.
EDIT: and i seriously don't understand how you can say that stealth isn't important in naruto. go watch the 1-79 all over again.
Naruto is a little loud....and a lot clumsy. But he still gives it his all. And only time will tell what he will do with his growth and his abilities in the future.
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assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
If other characters in the anime had Kyubi there personality would change and they would experience the same loss as naruto... So they wouldnt be 3 times as strong as him
If another person had Kyubi that is stronger(not physically wise but emotionally) they won't let that affect them. Naruto won't be as strong wihtout Kyubi. His whole personallity is based on what happened because he had it.
I don't know if this counts, but Naruto do know how to be silent. Remeber how he saved the little kid on the bridge totally surprising those two morons, he snuck up on them two times. First to save the mother and the little kid, then with two of his kage bunshins from behind to kick their asses. In that situation, not only was he silent, but he analysed the milieu and came to the conclusion which saved two characters lives
But not only that, when they had a mission to retrieve a cat, he did sneak with his team.
The only times I have seen him be totally loud is in fights where he is equal or where he have been able to save the situation. These times are in a great majority, and sure it's not especially good of him to be fooling around, but i think it's a bit harsh to be so condescending towards him.
And please Mr cat loaf, could you tone down on your "mr-know-it-all" style? I don't like the ringing in my ear that it gives me. If you know a lot more which i asume you do, go discuss it with the others in the open forum, because not only are you anoying when you say how much you know talking big and condescending, even without knowing it you also give out hints about the story in Naruto.
first of all...no, too bad.Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
And please Mr cat loaf, could you tone down on your "mr-know-it-all" style? I don't like the ringing in my ear that it gives me. If you know a lot more which i asume you do, go discuss it with the others in the open forum, because not only are you anoying when you say how much you know talking big and condescending, even without knowing it you also give out hints about the story in Naruto.
second...i haven't spoiled anything yet. if i have the mods would pm me. so...yeah.
EDIT: response to below:
plz shut up...if you really want to say something to me, just pm me. and like i said, if i have spoiled the mods to tell me.
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
first of all...no, too bad.Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
And please Mr cat loaf, could you tone down on your "mr-know-it-all" style? I don't like the ringing in my ear that it gives me. If you know a lot more which i asume you do, go discuss it with the others in the open forum, because not only are you anoying when you say how much you know talking big and condescending, even without knowing it you also give out hints about the story in Naruto.
second...i haven't spoiled anything yet. if i have the mods would pm me. so...yeah.
Oh, then how come every time i read ay of your mess, i think that iknow more about what will happen in Naruto? As i said, you don't say anything clear, but you do give hints wether you know it or not.
Second of all, i don't want to sound cheap or anything, but put a sock in it will ya. Your attitude isn't good for you.
I hear you talk about stealth.
NOne of naruto's characters use camouflage. They wear the most colorful outfits, well most of them.
see!! im right HAI!!Originally posted by: ELiA
I hear you talk about stealth.
NOne of naruto's characters use camouflage. They wear the most colorful outfits, well most of them.
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Stealth would not have worked against Gaara, his protection is automatic.
And not many ninjas have used stealth at all throughout the anime, with exception of the Demon Brothers and Kabuto. Most of the fights from the kohonoha ninjas have been frontal attacks or defenses.
Naruto knows a jounin level skill (kage bushin), a legendary ninja level skill (summoning toad boss) WITH his own chakra.
He is certainly not stupid, have you been paying attention to his fights? He uses strategy that is often brilliant:
1) His fight with Neji, the last part where he fakes his own defeat.
2) His fight with Kiba, fooling Kiba using genjutsu.
3) Him going through a series of moves to shove a dagger up Gaara's ass.
4) He came up with the strategy to free Kakashi from Zabuza's water prison.
He will show many more brilliant moves in future episodes, trust me on that.
If you think he's gennin strength/level, you're a moron.
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
naruto sucks as a ninja. i'm sorry you cannot notice that. naruto is still far from being a real ninja.Originally posted by: ?igma
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
for those who are arguing about the A rank mission naruto 'did' listen to this. you guys are forgetting the most important thing of being a ninja. stealth. which naruto lacks 100% of. he has no skills spot out the little things that would make him a ninja that can do A rank missions. naruto has only faced his opponents when it was a face to face ordeal. NEVER has he ever faced an encounter where stealth was involved. the point is, naruto would not even have the chance to go face to face with an opponent like haku or someone like him, naruto would just get killed without ever knowing it.
omfg~~
first we are discussing the completely idiotic idea of Naruto being anything past his official lvl (which is ofcourse nonsense) and next we are talking about FXING STEALTH, which is ofcourse the main-attribute of every ninja in every anime EXCEPT NARUTO!!!
Ninja in Naruto get to make their own!! strategies, you know what makes Naruto so strong, the fact that at first, he has a girl to protect and in the end, its a town. and the good thing about that, is that he is going to give himself fully to this purpose.
Protecting the "weak".
Naruto only "cares" and does not "think" , but his pure instinct is actually basically EXTREMELY AWESOMELY good at replacing this failure of his, no???
Why for crying out loud dont we let Naruto be the guy that he is and pleaaaaaaaaaaaseeeee, dont mess wiht GAI, GAI ROXOR!!!
besides, if Naruto was really stupid, he would also be very dead already.... the future will show you.
naruto needs to learn that being so loud and damn clumsy will end up getting killed against stronger opponents.
EDIT: and i seriously don't understand how you can say that stealth isn't important in naruto. go watch the 1-79 all over again.
None of naruto's characters wear camouflage because camouflage consists of boring colors. The artists want colorful outfits so their characters would stand out. And stealth isnt all about not being seen. It also consists of not being heard or even smelt. Naruto lacks the ability to be quiet. As Kakashi quoted him he is "the most loudest..somethigsomethingsomething" nin. Im too lazy to look it up. Naruto may be extremely powerful, but he lacks in all other departments of being a ninja. He only defeated Gaara because he is extremely big and powerful and thats all you need against someone like Gaara. If he were fighting Kakashi, it would be over in two seconds considering the speed comparison and all of Kakashi's jitsus. Itachi? Naruto just looks at him and its over. So, he may be as physically powerful as a jounin, but true strength comes in many ways.Originally posted by: ELiA
I hear you talk about stealth.
NOne of naruto's characters use camouflage. They wear the most colorful outfits, well most of them.
EDIT:
Well he was versing genins too in 3 of those fights so thats why they worked so well. And against Zabuza, Zabuza did have a hand holding Kakashi and was nearly immobile anyway. Although all those strats were impressive, the Zabuza one was the only one he did against a jounin level ninja.Originally posted by: CapsuleCorpJX
1) His fight with Neji, the last part where he fakes his own defeat.
2) His fight with Kiba, fooling Kiba using genjutsu.
3) Him going through a series of moves to shove a dagger up Gaara's ass.
4) He came up with the strategy to free Kakashi from Zabuza's water prison.
He will show many more brilliant moves in future episodes, trust me on that.
If you think he's gennin strength/level, you're a moron.
Simply put Naruto is a genin for a reason. The reason is that even though he has a ton of chakra, knows some very high level techniques, and is very creative in battle, he is also NOT good at some things. To become a chuunin you should be good at everything, to become a jounin you must be very good at everything.
I'll outline one situation where he isn't, there are more than one but I don't wanna type too much right now [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] ...
" A ninja needs to be able to read underneath the underneath. "
Naruto doesn't do this, and Naruto doesn't REALLY even understand this. I like naruto alot, i'm not trying to say hes weak, and in my other post I say alot of positive stuff about him. A perfect example of this is that Naruto got past the first part of the chuunin exam on guts and luck alone. If there actually had been a 10th question he woulda been toast and this discussion would have been over. If he had tried to cheat he probably would have been another person caught. He had a blank sheet, he couldn't cheat without getting caught, he hadn't developed those skills. And back to the original reason, he didn't even realize he was supposed to cheat. Now obviously its been awhile since then and Naruto is becoming more powerful every episode, but the facts remain that some of Naruto's basics are still not up to Chuunin level. And whether he could deafeat a Chuunin, Jounin, or Hokage in a head on battle, before they are going to promote a young excelling kid, they are going to make him round out all of his skills. That includes his Taijutsu techniques which could use some work, his Ninjutsu which is definately his strong point, and his Genjutsu skills, along with his ability to "understand the situation". Even though Naruto may come up with inventive, and unpredictable combinations of techniques he still is just learning how to read whats going on around him.
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