Eps 78 & 79

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Naruto is as powerful as a jounin.
Not as powerful as the elite 4 (Gai, Kakashi, the woman and Asuma)

But he seems as powerful as Anko, Hayate and some of the ANBU.

I mean come on, who can really beat the sand badger besides Naruto and the more powerful jounins?
Granted Naruto won because he summoned the toad boss, but the summoning itself takes skill and tons of chakra as well. And from the anime, it seems to be that he used his OWN chakra to summon the toad.

Now not to mention the fact that Naruto taught himself a jounin level skill (kage bushin) in a day, and beat the crap out of a chunnin while he was an academy student.

People call Naruto stupid. But he's really bright. He may not be a good group leader, but he comes up with brilliant tactics during the heat of battle.

[DeluxSkillz]

jup power and chakra wise he's on jounin level but he lacks in all other fields

[Rek]

Hokay... sure, you have a point... but they've explained why he beat them. He was defending a person precious to him...

[Shinji Ikari]

He lacks in no other way "more" than all of the others on his level. As i see it, he is the Strongest genin. And that isn't something to be taken that lightly, i mean, both Sasuke and Neji are genins, and they put up pretty much of a match towards enemies if you can trust what they say about bloodline shit.

[Mut]

naruto is a joke. i'd say the things he does is about 80% kyubi and 20% him.

[?igma]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
naruto is a joke. i'd say the things he does is about 80% kyubi and 20% him.

fool Naruto IS Chuubi ..
And dont forget, the reason why he couldnt master the easy parts of kindergarten is simply BECAUSE chuubi was inside of him. There is no telling what he couldve become without Chuubi because we cant predict different storylines..

Originally posted by: HokageVirus
page one pissed me off. too much stupid.

Naruto HAS succesfully belted out a strategy or 2 that were awsomley sucessful.

take this into account: while fighitng zabuza, Kakashi got careless and was captured. IF Narutp was the moron out local hamster loaf insists, then why OH WHY did NARUTO formulate the plan to free him? (kage bunshin, henge to 4 bladed shurinken, get tossed to sasuke, get thrown using kage shurinken, trick zabuza, stab him, get kakashi freed) wanna tell me that? HM?!

or houw bout this? in the forest, during chuunin exam part 2, when the mist nin attacked, if narutos a fool, HOW IN THE WORLD did he know to kage bunshinl, distract his targets, then henge THREE of them, into his comrads, do protect them and fool the mist nin, and then TOTALLY OWN the bastards?

OR!!! wat about his neji battle? AFTER! he used the kyubi chalra. AFTER! they were both pretty much spent. AFTER! they made these uge crters, if Naruto was such a mron HOW DID HE KNOW to tunnel his ass UNDERGROUND to finnishing blow Neji?

or in 78, VS Gaara, when he feigned an idiot move (the ass stab) and placed an explocive, that tore the part Shukaku a second asshole?

face it, naruto ma have AT ONE TIME been a cpmplete idiot, but he is growing. hes growing like a popieseed plant on steroids. he's learned how to use strategy, and not just run in like an idiot. he's learned to fight for others, not jsut himself or his pride. hes grown to love those, who once showed hatred (at least to an extent as of yet) many have recognized his ability, power, and potential to grow, HOKAGE INCLUDED.

"he really did an A rank mission, he'd not only fail but get slaughtered. naruto did not complete a rank A mission, sasuke, kakashi, sakura, AND naruto did"

you said that right hamster loaf?

the mission would hvae failed, and everyone would have died, unless naruto woulda saved kakashi, forgot the kyubi spaz he pulled later on. Teamwork is the #1 priority to compleate a mission without suffering huge casualty, and compleating the mission without casualty is the #1 priority of a ninja. NAruto has learned to work with his rival for the greater good. your biased outlook is keeping you from realizing some of these things.

love this, my thoughts exactly

[EpoC]

Naruto is at chounin lvl. At jounin lvl you don't only need power but also experience and a strategic sense.
When it comes to experince, naruto would fail because he's only been a ninja for mabybe a half a year or something.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
naruto is a joke. i'd say the things he does is about 80% kyubi and 20% him.

so? it's still Naruto he just rules. period [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Only Jiraiya is stronger then him at the moment [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Suzu]

If anybody other than Naruto had Kyuubi, they would be like 3 times more powerful than Naruto is with it. Sure he's very powerful and could probably fight some Jounin's but it would not be because of skill. It would just be a Kyuubi chakra fest. Nothing really special (i.e headbutting Gaara LOL Naruto is the greatest). But in truth Kyuubi is the only above average thing about Naruto, if he didn't have it he would't have a chance.

[HimizujinEternia]

Except for the fact that he didn't call on the Kyuubi until the headbutt. From what I saw, it was entirely his own Chakra that was used in the Kajyuu Kage Bunshin and the Gamabunta Kuchiyose in the first part of the fight. Naruto DOES have the potential to be powerful by himself... so long as he has someone to protect.

[Shinji Ikari]

For those who have paid attention to Naruto knows that he is very much above average when it comes to Stamina. That is one thing about him.

Other than that, Naruto used "only his own" chakra to call forth Gama Bunta, note how he uses "blue chakra" to summon him, not red. Not only does that take shit load of chakra doing, copying himself into like at least 1000 kage bunshins dividing "his own chakra" equally through out of all those copies. You tell me he has nothing above average. What i can do now is only quote Laslo from GTA3:

"*Sigh* I can't be bothered to argue with you...."

Even if you don't like Naruto, at least you could acknowledge that he has something above average, something that no one on his level can do. Even i can admit that Sasuke has great abilities even though i hate him, so what's so wrong with you seeing that Naruto has his strength, and not "only" Kyubi.

[Xollence]

I don't think he's anywhere near jounin level, but he's definately at a chunnin level.

[Rek]

.... I wouldn't be so sure... he can summon the Kyuubi Chakra indirectly, like he did against Haku.... so, its possible that when he has someone to defend he just uses that chakra without knowing it.

[Shinji Ikari]

Originally posted by: Konoha Rek
.... I wouldn't be so sure... he can summon the Kyuubi Chakra indirectly, like he did against Haku.... so, its possible that when he has someone to defend he just uses that chakra without knowing it.

No, every time he has used it, you could see a bright red glow around him, just like you did at the end of ep 79.

well....there's already been a long discussion about how naruto most likely used kyubi to summon gamabunta.....but the reason for him being able to call upon so many clones and from a jounin level jutsu no less is because having the kyubi in his body since birth allowed his body to adjust to the large amounts of chakra and give him an overall larger chakra stamina....if he never had the kyubi inside him, then he not only wouldnt have the red chakra, but he'd have less blue chakra too

Are you sure about that? Where does anyone say anything about that in the anime? Or is it something from the manga?

[Assertn]

well....there's already been a long discussion about how naruto most likely used kyubi to summon gamabunta.....but the reason for him being able to call upon so many clones and from a jounin level jutsu no less is because having the kyubi in his body since birth allowed his body to adjust to the large amounts of chakra and give him an overall larger chakra stamina....if he never had the kyubi inside him, then he not only wouldnt have the red chakra, but he'd have less blue chakra too

[Aegis Runestone]

Not to mention that no one else would've had been able to control Kyubi's chakra except Naruto. The Hokage commented on it when he saw Naruto fight Neji and he was amazed. This obviously means that it is VERY difficult to control Kyubi, Naruot can control him because he can blackmail Kyubi and the fox seems to love Naruto's courage to stand up to him. Kyubi is also probably willing to give his power to Naruto because it allows a part of him to fight again.

And also remember it was KYUBI who was damaging Nartuo's Chakra control. If Kyubi wasn't there, Naruto could have been a very good hard-working-type Ninja like Lee. He practiced Techniques every day, but he always failed because he has no chakra control BECAUSE OF KYUBI. With Kyubi, Naruto is now a sort of hybrid ninja, one who works hard and is a genius. Besides, Sasuke has the cursed seal, the Chidori and the Sharingan and you think he's fair?(I do, because I think all the characters are fair) I think you guys need to stop whining so much. There is too much character bashing on this board; all the characters have their own strengths and weaknesses, there are no restrictions and there is no such thing as "cheap" moves.

Another thing, Gaara lost because he was full of hate and Naruto was full of love because he wanted to protect someone else. Love is more powerful than hate, if Naruto had been selfish and wanted to save his own skin, Kyubi's power wouldn't have saved him, he would have died.

[gokudagreat]

ugh everyone keeps arguing over this, how bout everyone just admits this.... Naruto has alot of determination and will to fight for his dreams, and that allows him to become very strong, whether the kyubi chakra makes him strong, or his own chakra makes him strong, he is strong because of his determination and especially because of the will to protect his friends... i think everyone can agree on that?

[Rek]

Ah... thats a little wrong....

Naruto practiced so much because he wanted to be powerful. Because He wanted to be hokage. Because he wanted recognition. Because the village hated him. Because he has a demon in his belly.

So, he prolly wouldn't train as hard. And the reason he had no chakra control is because the seal was uneven. Notice how his chakra got sooooo much better after Ero sennin punched him in the stomach.

[gokudagreat]

the reason the seal was uneven is cause orochimaru made it that way in fear of what Naruto could become, thankfully jiraiya undid it

come on, you guys are totally not giving credit where credit is deserved, Naruto is more than just the average joe, even without the kyubi.

plus, remember in the episode where naruto has defeating neji, and all the jounins are saying that its amazing he can control the fox demons power without losing control, THATS WHY HE IS AMAZING, he has to have determination and alot of strength on his own to be able to handle that, so there...lol

[Kurapica]

Naruto is probably on chuunin/jounin level, but has not all the capacities (yet) to become a leader figure like a hokage. Besides that he has to rely too much on the chakra from the nine tales which makes his power kinda unpredictable.