Eps 78 & 79

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Naruto is as powerful as a jounin.
Not as powerful as the elite 4 (Gai, Kakashi, the woman and Asuma)

But he seems as powerful as Anko, Hayate and some of the ANBU.

I mean come on, who can really beat the sand badger besides Naruto and the more powerful jounins?
Granted Naruto won because he summoned the toad boss, but the summoning itself takes skill and tons of chakra as well. And from the anime, it seems to be that he used his OWN chakra to summon the toad.

Now not to mention the fact that Naruto taught himself a jounin level skill (kage bushin) in a day, and beat the crap out of a chunnin while he was an academy student.

People call Naruto stupid. But he's really bright. He may not be a good group leader, but he comes up with brilliant tactics during the heat of battle.

[DeluxSkillz]

jup power and chakra wise he's on jounin level but he lacks in all other fields

[Rek]

Hokay... sure, you have a point... but they've explained why he beat them. He was defending a person precious to him...

[Xollence]

I don't think he's anywhere near jounin level, but he's definately at a chunnin level.

[Shinji Ikari]

He lacks in no other way "more" than all of the others on his level. As i see it, he is the Strongest genin. And that isn't something to be taken that lightly, i mean, both Sasuke and Neji are genins, and they put up pretty much of a match towards enemies if you can trust what they say about bloodline shit.

[Mut]

naruto is a joke. i'd say the things he does is about 80% kyubi and 20% him.

[Suzu]

If anybody other than Naruto had Kyuubi, they would be like 3 times more powerful than Naruto is with it. Sure he's very powerful and could probably fight some Jounin's but it would not be because of skill. It would just be a Kyuubi chakra fest. Nothing really special (i.e headbutting Gaara LOL Naruto is the greatest). But in truth Kyuubi is the only above average thing about Naruto, if he didn't have it he would't have a chance.

[HimizujinEternia]

Except for the fact that he didn't call on the Kyuubi until the headbutt. From what I saw, it was entirely his own Chakra that was used in the Kajyuu Kage Bunshin and the Gamabunta Kuchiyose in the first part of the fight. Naruto DOES have the potential to be powerful by himself... so long as he has someone to protect.

[Shinji Ikari]

For those who have paid attention to Naruto knows that he is very much above average when it comes to Stamina. That is one thing about him.

Other than that, Naruto used "only his own" chakra to call forth Gama Bunta, note how he uses "blue chakra" to summon him, not red. Not only does that take shit load of chakra doing, copying himself into like at least 1000 kage bunshins dividing "his own chakra" equally through out of all those copies. You tell me he has nothing above average. What i can do now is only quote Laslo from GTA3:

"*Sigh* I can't be bothered to argue with you...."

Even if you don't like Naruto, at least you could acknowledge that he has something above average, something that no one on his level can do. Even i can admit that Sasuke has great abilities even though i hate him, so what's so wrong with you seeing that Naruto has his strength, and not "only" Kyubi.

[Rek]

.... I wouldn't be so sure... he can summon the Kyuubi Chakra indirectly, like he did against Haku.... so, its possible that when he has someone to defend he just uses that chakra without knowing it.

[Assertn]

well....there's already been a long discussion about how naruto most likely used kyubi to summon gamabunta.....but the reason for him being able to call upon so many clones and from a jounin level jutsu no less is because having the kyubi in his body since birth allowed his body to adjust to the large amounts of chakra and give him an overall larger chakra stamina....if he never had the kyubi inside him, then he not only wouldnt have the red chakra, but he'd have less blue chakra too

[Shinji Ikari]

Originally posted by: Konoha Rek
.... I wouldn't be so sure... he can summon the Kyuubi Chakra indirectly, like he did against Haku.... so, its possible that when he has someone to defend he just uses that chakra without knowing it.

No, every time he has used it, you could see a bright red glow around him, just like you did at the end of ep 79.

well....there's already been a long discussion about how naruto most likely used kyubi to summon gamabunta.....but the reason for him being able to call upon so many clones and from a jounin level jutsu no less is because having the kyubi in his body since birth allowed his body to adjust to the large amounts of chakra and give him an overall larger chakra stamina....if he never had the kyubi inside him, then he not only wouldnt have the red chakra, but he'd have less blue chakra too

Are you sure about that? Where does anyone say anything about that in the anime? Or is it something from the manga?

[Aegis Runestone]

Not to mention that no one else would've had been able to control Kyubi's chakra except Naruto. The Hokage commented on it when he saw Naruto fight Neji and he was amazed. This obviously means that it is VERY difficult to control Kyubi, Naruot can control him because he can blackmail Kyubi and the fox seems to love Naruto's courage to stand up to him. Kyubi is also probably willing to give his power to Naruto because it allows a part of him to fight again.

And also remember it was KYUBI who was damaging Nartuo's Chakra control. If Kyubi wasn't there, Naruto could have been a very good hard-working-type Ninja like Lee. He practiced Techniques every day, but he always failed because he has no chakra control BECAUSE OF KYUBI. With Kyubi, Naruto is now a sort of hybrid ninja, one who works hard and is a genius. Besides, Sasuke has the cursed seal, the Chidori and the Sharingan and you think he's fair?(I do, because I think all the characters are fair) I think you guys need to stop whining so much. There is too much character bashing on this board; all the characters have their own strengths and weaknesses, there are no restrictions and there is no such thing as "cheap" moves.

Another thing, Gaara lost because he was full of hate and Naruto was full of love because he wanted to protect someone else. Love is more powerful than hate, if Naruto had been selfish and wanted to save his own skin, Kyubi's power wouldn't have saved him, he would have died.

[gokudagreat]

ugh everyone keeps arguing over this, how bout everyone just admits this.... Naruto has alot of determination and will to fight for his dreams, and that allows him to become very strong, whether the kyubi chakra makes him strong, or his own chakra makes him strong, he is strong because of his determination and especially because of the will to protect his friends... i think everyone can agree on that?

[Rek]

Ah... thats a little wrong....

Naruto practiced so much because he wanted to be powerful. Because He wanted to be hokage. Because he wanted recognition. Because the village hated him. Because he has a demon in his belly.

So, he prolly wouldn't train as hard. And the reason he had no chakra control is because the seal was uneven. Notice how his chakra got sooooo much better after Ero sennin punched him in the stomach.

[gokudagreat]

the reason the seal was uneven is cause orochimaru made it that way in fear of what Naruto could become, thankfully jiraiya undid it

come on, you guys are totally not giving credit where credit is deserved, Naruto is more than just the average joe, even without the kyubi.

plus, remember in the episode where naruto has defeating neji, and all the jounins are saying that its amazing he can control the fox demons power without losing control, THATS WHY HE IS AMAZING, he has to have determination and alot of strength on his own to be able to handle that, so there...lol

[Kurapica]

Naruto is probably on chuunin/jounin level, but has not all the capacities (yet) to become a leader figure like a hokage. Besides that he has to rely too much on the chakra from the nine tales which makes his power kinda unpredictable.

[NewGuyinTown]

Naruto just completed an A-rank mission, which only given to Jounins. Completing it means he's qualify for a jounin.

He himself already possess alot of chakra as a genin (even more than a normal chuunin)... He only needed A BIT of Kyuubi's chakra to defeat Gaara... Imagine how strong he would be if he uses all of Kyuubi's chakra. I bet he can even put a good fight with the 3rd Hokage (if he doesn't use that Death Demon Technique) if he max out his chakra.

[Mut]

haha look at all these experts come in and speak their minds.

listen guys...i'll address a lot of things.

do i always have to straighten you guys out...? cmon...

naruto is not chuunin worthy or jounin worthy. he is a genin right now for a reason. he has a lot of power, yes it's chuunin/jounin power, but the thing is...if he really did an A rank mission, he'd not only fail but get slaughtered. naruto did not complete a rank A mission, sasuke, kakashi, sakura, AND naruto did. obviously naruto is strong (whether it is hokage's or gamakichi's strength or whatever) but he doesn't have the brains and skills to become a chuunin, let along a jounin. he sucks. i'll say it again, he sucks as a ninja. his ability to fight isn't gonna help me when he runs into someone like haku, zabuza, or orochimaru. naruto will get killed. his ninja skills are border-line mediocre.

[ELiA]

No, you silly one! Read this (bitch)!!!

If he was not that strong, who would they call the show "naruto"???