Suggestion? Episode Progress Tracker

[010577]

Hey all...

I posted this in hoping that people respond KINDLY and no INSULTING here and there. I now state that I am posting this thread in true EARNEST and hope HONEST opinions be given, good or bad. Just go easy on the soul that just got naruto rendaned recently ok?

Ok first let me state my disposition: I am unaware if this has been discussed before, I don't know if I am posting in the right forum, I know this could get locked and could be inappropriate, I know therez been a lot of talk on ep. 78 and I am not meaning to add another useless thread.

I was wondering since Naruto is so popular, it is natural that it will be under the spotlight and a lot of attention will be on it. People, like me, find the TIMING of the episode airing by A/A very important (yes, I am one of those A/A people only). Sometimes, you can't blame people for posting questions wondering when the episode will come out. It is usually in good intention.

Question: Is it possible that there can be a tracker made for Naruto (and possibly other projects?) I guess a tracker would have maybe like 5 or so steps (raw received, draft subbing, quality check etc.), showing which stage the episode making process it is in. I suggest maybe a bar, or maybe a flow chart... or something that shows the progress or which stage Naruto making is in. I don't know anything about computers so I don't know if this is troublesome or not. If it isn't, I think it serves its purpose whether the episode is aired later than usual, or even when it is aired at its usual time, because:

1) people find it more convenient to check a tracker, then being in the unknown about when the ep. will be aired.
2) I am sure this will raise the popularity of A/A by people getting a more accurate grasp of whatz going on and more importantly, stop useless threads of asking when ep. will be aired
3) It can increase viewers knowledge and appreciate more the hard work subbers put into episodes

what do you guys think? letz discuss

[Tass]

i love the idea! not sure if its possible...or if it is, wether or not they'd do it...but it sounds like a great idea! ...thats just my opinion...

[010577]

glad someone likes it!

I like the idea very much and I hope it comes through.

Thanks

[complich8]

it's possible. It's easy.

It's also misleading. It'd have been stuck at 95% for about 48 hours now, and 90% for the 48 hours before that. People would be even MORE encouraged to ask that infernal question. We'd be even more irritated. And if we gave any more detail than a percentage, it'd single group members out, which isn't exactly team-oriented.

[010577]

Originally posted by: complich8
it's possible. It's easy.

It's also misleading. It'd have been stuck at 95% for about 48 hours now, and 90% for the 48 hours before that. People would be even MORE encouraged to ask that infernal question. We'd be even more irritated. And if we gave any more detail than a percentage, it'd single group members out, which isn't exactly team-oriented.

A good point. A very good point indeed. But I have 2 things to say:

1) To ask or not to ask, I think the tracker will not encourage people to post that dreaded thread again and again. Reason being: One, people will not be in the dark about the process and having more "knowledge" at hand will educate the viewer. It would also help to write a note under tracker or time graph as Bloodhybrid said would get the message across more, as the first thing people will check before going into the forum for questions about a episode is checking the tracker. This will increase their decency as A/A has provided maximum update possible to their current situation, hence more respect for the process will be given. Two, I agree it can be frustrating to stop at 95% for a long time, but then this is also a sign that the tracker should be revised, so that the 95% mark should now be put as a 70% mark or so on. This will discourage the "itching" to ask the question.

2) As to teamwork, I am not a part of A/A and I do not know how you guys work. So I cannot argue with you about this. But can I tell you what I think as someone who doesn't know any of the team members?
Does it work if you leave the members in charge of certain processes anonymous? If it remain that way to the public, no pressure will be put to certain parts of the team. Maybe a "shuffling" of responsibilities within the team every so often so members do indeed remain anonymous? I think the only solution is letting the tracker portions remain as a "process" and not as an "individual", that way people will respect it as a whole.

But regards to point 2, I have to say that it will be emminent that more pressure will be put to individual effort. My suggestion is just like a bunshin. To be fair, I will restate that I think this is a con right now. But I think there are more pros that come with the deal.

let's talk about this more

[Assertn]

anbu/aone is usually rather consistent with their releases....this is just an uncommon exception

[Hokage Naruto]

Yeah i think that idea is great. I hope they read this post.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[RockLee]

i like this idea...

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: Hokage Naruto
Yeah i think that idea is great. I hope they read this post.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Complich8 has posted 2 posts above you, so yes, a member of animeone has read this.
But he is right, if the progress bar is stuck at 95% people will ask even more.
An idea with a good intention, but it will cause more harm than good.

[010577]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
anbu/aone is usually rather consistent with their releases....this is just an uncommon exception

sorry for double responding.

I think that would be all the better! I have to agree they are consistent and it further helps the program because ppl will see the consistency and find it reliable. Itz just marking your progress as you go.

I missed this point earlier on, but now I think a tracker is good for portions of the tracker that take longer than others. It is a good signal that if their speed is not up to par, A/A as a team should know the reason. After all, a team is consisted of individuals, that efficent individuals bring an efficient team. So breaking up the process helps the managing of A/A.

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: 010577
I missed this point earlier on, but now I think a tracker is good for portions of the tracker that take longer than others. It is a good signal that if their speed is not up to par, A/A as a team should know the reason. After all, a team is consisted of individuals, that efficent individuals bring an efficient team. So breaking up the process helps the managing of A/A.

But they all do this out of free will, they have no obligation to do it.
Constant pressure will most likely drive a lot of people away. What you say is true for a team of workers - emploied workers. You can't force people to do or not do sth in their free time.

If the tracker exposes the name of the person who is "responsible" for the delay the pressure (on IRC and elsewhere) will increase and "If you don't like my work, do it yourself." is not the last response to that that would come to my mind.

And i doubt that AonE needs a public progress bar to know what delayed the release of whatever anime. Complich8 seems well informed where and why N78 wasn't released yet. That they do not expose a individual but take even the "hard/not so good" times as a team shows that their teamwork is still functional.

@Bloodhybrid:
Raw....Translate.. ||: ..Edit....Time....Encode....Check.. :|| ..FinalCheck

Specail occasions like this one with change in Typeset, Karaoke etc not handled.

[010577]

Originally posted by: Elessar

Originally posted by: 010577
I missed this point earlier on, but now I think a tracker is good for portions of the tracker that take longer than others. It is a good signal that if their speed is not up to par, A/A as a team should know the reason. After all, a team is consisted of individuals, that efficent individuals bring an efficient team. So breaking up the process helps the managing of A/A.

But they all do this out of free will, they have no obligation to do it.
Constant pressure will most likely drive a lot of people away. What you say is true for a team of workers - emploied workers. You can't force people to do or not do sth in their free time.

If the tracker exposes the name of the person who is "responsible" for the delay the pressure (on IRC and elsewhere) will increase and "If you don't like my work, do it yourself." is not the last response to that that would come to my mind.

And i doubt that AonE needs a public progress bar to know what delayed the release of whatever anime. Complich8 seems well informed where and why N78 wasn't released yet. That they do not expose a individual but take even the "hard/not so good" times as a team shows that their teamwork is still functional.

@Bloodhybrid:
Raw....Translate.. ||: ..Edit....Time....Encode....Check.. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]| ..FinalCheck

Specail occasions like this one with change in Typeset, Karaoke etc not handled.

Im sorry I don't really comprehend what you are saying. I never wanted to expose the individuals in charge of certain parts. Please read my postings above about anonymity.

[AnimeEd]

a tracker?
why not just a web site with updates after each step?
it's soooooo much more simplier
i'll write it right now:
<html>
5% RAW in hand
</html>

[basey44]

it sounds like a great idea but i must agree with complich8, it would just cause more complaints.

but it might not, maybe it would be the best thing ever created, who knows

[Bloodhybrid]

well a thought would be just a time graph that has the different stages on
Rip.....encode.....sub.....check.....final check....complete
O=====O=====O====O======O=======O

[glitched]

Saiyaman used to do somthing similar with this in his inuyasha forum, there was a sticky thread at the top of the forum that the only info in the thread was updates on how the episode was going (ex: Raw release, Translated, Edited, Timed, Encoded, Sub Release. )

[jrow7784]

maybe this has been already discussed before, but I dare ask anyways.

ANBU-AonE, I suppose, is the most popular choice of fansubs for Naruto, right? ANBU-AonE releases episodes at least every week to the day, right? ANBU-AonE reports when the newest episode is on the site for download, right? ANBU-AonE does a lot of quality maitenance, both to the graphics and subtitles, right?

What I don't understand from all this, is that while ANBU-AonE is very popular for the Naruto fan-subs, they've gotta know that fans are curious as to the whereabouts of episode 78, right? Why wouldn't they post a friendly news brief saying something like, "Right now, we are still in the process of working on Naruto episode 78. We will let you know when the episode is available for BT download."?

You draw a huge fan-base, and all it takes is one brief announcment to tell those not to threat and that Naruto episode 78 will be released.

[010577]

Originally posted by: jrow7784
maybe this has been already discussed before, but I dare ask anyways.

ANBU-AonE, I suppose, is the most popular choice of fansubs for Naruto, right? ANBU-AonE releases episodes at least every week to the day, right? ANBU-AonE reports when the newest episode is on the site for download, right? ANBU-AonE does a lot of quality maitenance, both to the graphics and subtitles, right?

What I don't understand from all this, is that while ANBU-AonE is very popular for the Naruto fan-subs, they've gotta know that fans are curious as to the whereabouts of episode 78, right? Why wouldn't they post a friendly news brief saying something like, "Right now, we are still in the process of working on Naruto episode 78. We will let you know when the episode is available for BT download."?

You draw a huge fan-base, and all it takes is one brief announcment to tell those not to threat and that Naruto episode 78 will be released.

worthy point. your idea and mine is based on giving more information and assurance to those waiting for the sub.

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: jrow7784
What I don't understand from all this, is that while ANBU-AonE is very popular for the Naruto fan-subs, they've gotta know that fans are curious as to the whereabouts of episode 78, right? Why wouldn't they post a friendly news brief saying something like, "Right now, we are still in the process of working on Naruto episode 78. We will let you know when the episode is available for BT download."?

You draw a huge fan-base, and all it takes is one brief announcment to tell those not to threat and that Naruto episode 78 will be released.

Peaple tend to not read those announcements. That is the problem. If a simple message would be enough, every group would do that. But as this works ANBU-AonE do the same as everyone else: ignore it. The release is out when it is out
Couple of months ago Inane couldn't obtain a decent quality Naruto raw to maintain their quality level and lagged nearly a week behind. They got insulted for that to the point that they weren't far away from stopping Naruto.

They held it back for some more days until enough reasonably intelligent people came up and the signal-to-noise-ratio was bearable again. Yet some fansites did accuse them in the news of not wanting to give the Naruto Manga to the fans because of whatever. They do not want to understand.

[jrow7784]

Originally posted by: Elessar

Originally posted by: jrow7784
What I don't understand from all this, is that while ANBU-AonE is very popular for the Naruto fan-subs, they've gotta know that fans are curious as to the whereabouts of episode 78, right? Why wouldn't they post a friendly news brief saying something like, "Right now, we are still in the process of working on Naruto episode 78. We will let you know when the episode is available for BT download."?

You draw a huge fan-base, and all it takes is one brief announcment to tell those not to threat and that Naruto episode 78 will be released.

Peaple tend to not read those announcements. That is the problem. If a simple message would be enough, every group would do that. But as this works ANBU-AonE do the same as everyone else: ignore it. The release is out when it is out
Couple of months ago Inane couldn't obtain a decent quality Naruto raw to maintain their quality level and lagged nearly a week behind. They got insulted for that to the point that they weren't far away from stopping Naruto.

They held it back for some more days until enough reasonably intelligent people came up and the signal-to-noise-ratio was bearable again. Yet some fansites did accuse them in the news of not wanting to give the Naruto Manga to the fans because of whatever. They do not want to understand.

so basically what you're telling me is that ANBU-AonE could care less about the people that support them, yet want us to donate money to them to support their efforts?

I'm not entirely complaining about this. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to catch up on Naruto (episode 41). I gotta tip-toe around the spoilers, ya see? Yet, I feel for people who are watching 79 raw get released today and are LOYAL enough to stick with A/A only.

Example: What if Team Ninja were to delay the Ninja Gaiden video game without notifing the general public? "It's February 24th, and the game isn't in stores yet" is just a taste of complaints Team Ninja would take. Oh, whats you're argument, that ANBU-AonE isn't a huge corporation like Team Ninja? It still falls under the same principal of fan appreciation. If you're falling behind on an episode and need more time to finish up shop, at least let the people know that the episode will come out soon instead of having topics such like, "Where's A/A 78?" or "When is A/A going to release ep. 78?" They could put an end to peoples constant complaining by posting a message on the main site.

"It's done when it's done." Is that the motto that floats around here constantly? I wish I could tell that to my boss everyday. "When are you going to finish that article?" "It's done when it's done."

I'm not complaining about the fact that they haven't released episode 78, I'm just mad that they aren't in any way, shape, or form notifing everyone of the delay.