omg... was this seriously necessary... it finally died out and you bring this back out.Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Just thought I'd add ..
Udon > Itachi [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
omg... was this seriously necessary... it finally died out and you bring this back out.Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Just thought I'd add ..
Udon > Itachi [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Besides, I think the true reason for Itachi's retreat was not because he was weaker than anyone, but because Kishimoto was attempting to create hype and mystery about him, leaving us wanting more. Can't wait to see him again.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Here's something I found on the net about Itachi.
Enjoy!
first of all, this isn't an intelligent way to think about something. once again, you have over analyzed something so simple and insignificant. and second, you define the requirements for your ideal bad guy into something that can't be hurt, fears no one, and can defeat everyone (one bye one or all at once). which makes me say: why don't you just call your ideal bad guy GOD? you're imagining a bad guy in an unrealistic way which eliminates all possibilities of him getting beat, which is the main requirement for a bad guy.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Names were left up to Kishimoto.They were no names. If they were strong, we would have known who they were. They were only cannon fodder.
Itachi is still a bad-ass, the fact that he retreated means nothing. Dazzz is right, he knew that he'd have hundreds of nins on his back if he didn't leave. Even he couldn't take on the whole village by himself, but that doesn't make him any less of a bad-ass.
Whatever floats your boat. It's just that your category of a badass would fall into my "wannabe" category, but then I guess I have higher standards.
At least Itachi is more interesting than Kimimaro .. Kimi is about as exciting as watching paint dry .. or maybe even less so. Although both of them suffer a definite lack of personality. Orochimaru is so much more expressive and interesting, because he doesn't look at every situation with a totally blank stare. My favorite villains are the more colorful ones, like The Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson pwns!), or Dr. Jackal in Get Backers (he always got so excited to get into battles .. and creeped Ginji into turning into Chibi-mode .. rofl! .. 'BAN-CHAN!!!') .. or even Zabuza, whose overt cruelty and vengeance made him compelling.
I guess Kishimoto is trying for a sense of mystery or something with the whole expressionless thing, but to me it's just plain boring...
im sure those sand guys that hiashi beat were just chuunin....but it begs the question: why did the sand and sound village send all their worthless ninjas to fight the war? the only competent sound/sand guys are the sound 4, kabuto, and baki......they sure made fools of themselves in that battle
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
They weren't completely worthless, Konoha lost a LOT of nins.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Intresting.... hmm I wonder who's Kisames voice actor, and Itachi... we've only heard him for like 15 seconds in ep 30 ... or?
His voice in ep 30 sounded waaay too deep, he's only supposed to be 17/18. It sounded like a middle-aged, bulky man speaking, not a teenager.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Dude, you're the one who's over analyzing. All I said was that someone without a conscious is much scarier then someon with a conscious and shows fear. Then I backed that up with a few examples. Here's a couple more examples, and I'm not talking about "my ideal bad guy."Originally posted by: Mut@t@
first of all, this isn't an intelligent way to think about something. once again, you have over analyzed something so simple and insignificant. and second, you define the requirements for your ideal bad guy into something that can't be hurt, fears no one, and can defeat everyone (one bye one or all at once). which makes me say: why don't you just call your ideal bad guy GOD? you're imagining a bad guy in an unrealistic way which eliminates all possibilities of him getting beat, which is the main requirement for a bad guy.
Let me start by asking a question. Would you be more afraid of a bank robber or a serial killer?
A bank robber just wants the money. If you beef up security for the bank, the robber will rob some other bank with less security. Naruto would be the money, Konoha would be the bank, and Itachi is the bank robber. That's why he's waiting for a better opportunity. This is why he doesn't fall into the truly badass category.
Now if you're unlucky enough to bump into a serial killer, you're ass is dead. Why? Because he doesn't give a rats ass about Laws, your life, or his own freakin life. It doesn't matter if you cry or beg for your life. He will kill you.
I know you understand. You're just to biased to see the truth. There's a difference in danger level between someone who has something to live for, and someone who kills people just because they want to. I'm not just talking about a manga, this applies in the real world. If you can't see that, dude you must be living a sheltered life. I hope you don't ever meet someone who is just plain psychotic, who'll shoot your ass just because he thinks you looked at him. There are people who can be reasoned with (Itachi), and there are people who can't (they just don't give a fuck). I hope you never step outside your sheltered life, or gain a little sophistication before you do, because the world isn't as peachy as you think.
Edit:
Yeah, Legato and Knives are good example.
you mean GOD or Legato Bluesummers [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Mut@t@
first of all, this isn't an intelligent way to think about something. once again, you have over analyzed something so simple and insignificant. and second, you define the requirements for your ideal bad guy into something that can't be hurt, fears no one, and can defeat everyone (one bye one or all at once). which makes me say: why don't you just call your ideal bad guy GOD? you're imagining a bad guy in an unrealistic way which eliminates all possibilities of him getting beat, which is the main requirement for a bad guy.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Names were left up to Kishimoto.They were no names. If they were strong, we would have known who they were. They were only cannon fodder.
Itachi is still a bad-ass, the fact that he retreated means nothing. Dazzz is right, he knew that he'd have hundreds of nins on his back if he didn't leave. Even he couldn't take on the whole village by himself, but that doesn't make him any less of a bad-ass.
Whatever floats your boat. It's just that your category of a badass would fall into my "wannabe" category, but then I guess I have higher standards.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Legato, Vicious, Dr. Jackal, etc. are all cool bad guys that show no fear, but they were still all defeated somehow, and eventually Itachi will probably be beaten as well. Different people just have different ideas about what their ulitmate villain is like.
L O L i quoted myself! but yea. i just saw eps 80 raw and thats how the thing is really =) aint spoiling anything (not like theres anythign to spoil) but that eps was aite!Originally posted by: JusDaMan
I predict 80 is a tribute to 3rd. and about kakashi things. etc etc. basically wat im saying is Chapter 139 is going to be the WHOLE episode 80 but twisted around.
So the episode starts with fillers and chapter 139 page 3 to 17 which is all about the 3rd hokage. then in the final minutes of the episode. cut scene: itachi appears and says his bit with kisame. then it ends. HELL YEA.
it doesn't matter what happens in the real world cuz when you try to apply what happens in the real world into the manga, nothing works. and don't try to be a smart ass by saying some bs comments about me without knowing what kind of a person i am.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
I'm not just talking about a manga, this applies in the real world. If you can't see that, dude you must be living a sheltered life. I hope you don't ever meet someone who is just plain psychotic, who'll shoot your ass just because he thinks you looked at him. There are people who can be reasoned with (Itachi), and there are people who can't (they just don't give a fuck). I hope you never step outside your sheltered life, or gain a little sophistication before you do, because the world isn't as peachy as you think.
and you think itachi isn't psychotic? hello? did you forget that he killed off a whole clan and his own family to 'test his strength'? bam! you remember that movie "you got served'?
in conclusion, itachi is fucking crazy.
and who is legato
Legato is the Aoshi-like villain in Trigun. IMO, he was far cooler than Knives was, as the main bad guy. This guy was as mean as it gets. He had an entire tavern shoot themselves dead, killed his own subordinate after he had done his duty, and to prove how bad he was, forced a guy to shoot HIM in the head, to have the shooter experience inner turmoil. Legato is about as "cool" as it gets. Fuckin Knives, OTOH, sucked ass. Boohoohooo. Vash got more attention than I did, Cry me a fuckin river, Knives. (btw, if this is mistaken, I haven't seen Trigun forever, and he suddenly appeared outta nowhere, making him not as significant as Legato)
Oh, and Legato also had Vash blow up the moon for kicks. He also hangs a girl for failing.
Anyways, it's hard to say what kinda personality Itachi really has. He didn't have significant enough time to really show us his stuff. But, he's probably not as psychotic as Orochimaru ( he's stronger. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] ) but is more hyped than anybody else. And for good reason. Itachi is the top tier villain in Naruto, even when Oro was in his prime time.
LOL...Originally posted by: Mut@t@
it doesn't matter what happens in the real world cuz when you try to apply what happens in the real world into the manga, nothing works. and don't try to be a smart ass by saying some bs comments about me without knowing what kind of a person i am.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
I'm not just talking about a manga, this applies in the real world. If you can't see that, dude you must be living a sheltered life. I hope you don't ever meet someone who is just plain psychotic, who'll shoot your ass just because he thinks you looked at him. There are people who can be reasoned with (Itachi), and there are people who can't (they just don't give a fuck). I hope you never step outside your sheltered life, or gain a little sophistication before you do, because the world isn't as peachy as you think.
and you think itachi isn't psychotic? hello? did you forget that he killed off a whole clan and his own family to 'test his strength'? bam! you remember that movie "you got served'?
in conclusion, itachi is fucking crazy.
and who is legato
There's a big difference between calculated and psychotic. He killed his clan at the most opportune time. He planned it. He didn't kill them out of the blue.
See Dazzz, you're contradicting yourself again. Dude when it suits your needs you change you're stance. For example, he's psychotic because he killed his family. Another example would be, he's a calculating individual and that's why he retreated. If I had a nickel for each time you have contradicted yourself, I'd be a rich man.
We know that he isn't psychotic because he thinks things through.
Now about the real world. Where do you think Kishimoto comes up with his ideas? Yes, in the real world. Then he puts it in a manga. That's how all writers write. They use the experience that they have had and build on that. Maybe you didn't know that, probably part of that sheltered life thing. Anyways, I'm sure that Itachi's not psychotic, but you might fit the shoe.
You can't serve very well!!! ROFL . . . so childish.
have you seen the movie seven? do you not agree that kevin spacey's character is psychotic and calculating? maybe you haven't seen the movie, but whoever has seen it can tell you that one can be both psychotic and calculating at the same time. it's possible you know.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugiLOL...
There's a big difference between calculated and psychotic. He killed his clan at the most opportune time. He planned it. He didn't kill them out of the blue.
See Dazzz, you're contradicting yourself again. Dude when it suits your needs you change you're stance. For example, he's psychotic because he killed his family. Another example would be, he's a calculating individual and that's why he retreated. If I had a nickel for each time you have contradicted yourself, I'd be a rich man.
We know that he isn't psychotic because he thinks things through.
Now about the real world. Where do you think Kishimoto comes up with his ideas? Yes, in the real world. Then he puts it in a manga. That's how all writers write. They use the experience that they have had and build on that. Maybe you didn't know that, probably part of that sheltered life thing. Anyways, I'm sure that Itachi's not psychotic, but you might fit the shoe.
You can't serve very well!!! ROFL . . . so childish.
the fact that itachi actually killed his own family and clan members is considered pyschotic, not the fact that he planned it
anyway, with the sheltered life thing. that's really lame dude. you bring up some valid and original arguments/ideas sometimes so i thought you were some what not an immature idiot. but i guess i was WRONG. good job on making fun of someone on the internet because you assume that person lives a sheltered life trying to make yourself feel/look better (inferiority complex?). being or acting 12 is fun for you, i guess. should i be expecting "your mom" jokes from now on? anyway, i can say that from now on, most, if not all, things you say will just be thrown out since you've stooped down to the mentality of a 12 year old. nice work hiten. [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
have you seen the movie seven? do you not agree that kevin spacey's character is psychotic and calculating? maybe you haven't seen the movie, but whoever has seen it can tell you that one can be both psychotic and calculating at the same time. it's possible you know.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugiLOL...
There's a big difference between calculated and psychotic. He killed his clan at the most opportune time. He planned it. He didn't kill them out of the blue.
See Dazzz, you're contradicting yourself again. Dude when it suits your needs you change you're stance. For example, he's psychotic because he killed his family. Another example would be, he's a calculating individual and that's why he retreated. If I had a nickel for each time you have contradicted yourself, I'd be a rich man.
We know that he isn't psychotic because he thinks things through.
Now about the real world. Where do you think Kishimoto comes up with his ideas? Yes, in the real world. Then he puts it in a manga. That's how all writers write. They use the experience that they have had and build on that. Maybe you didn't know that, probably part of that sheltered life thing. Anyways, I'm sure that Itachi's not psychotic, but you might fit the shoe.
You can't serve very well!!! ROFL . . . so childish.
the fact that itachi actually killed his own family and clan members is considered pyschotic, not the fact that he planned it
anyway, with the sheltered life thing. that's really lame dude. you bring up some valid and original arguments/ideas sometimes so i thought you were some what not an immature idiot. but i guess i was WRONG. good job on making fun of someone on the internet because you assume that person lives a sheltered life trying to make yourself feel/look better (inferiority complex?). being or acting 12 is fun for you, i guess. should i be expecting "your mom" jokes from now on? anyway, i can say that from now on, most, if not all, things you say will just be thrown out since you've stooped down to the mentality of a 12 year old. nice work hiten. [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]
The guy in seven planned everything. There was no psychosis. Just first degree, pre-meditated murder. Dazzz, seriously though, I don't stoop. You shouldn't over-analyze what I say. Some people really do live a sheltered life and like you said, I don't know you.
If you don't live a sheltered life, then it's my bad. I just hate rich kids walking around like they own/know everything and never had to work a day in their life.
Dazzz is right.
Itachi CAN kill 200 ppl. With KAGEBUNSHIN. BUT.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
why would he want to waste his time? when he could just get Naruto tomorow? Because He knows that Naruto cannot be guarded 24/7.
Dazzz and hiten mitsurugi, take your little love-fest to AIM or somethin, you two just can't stop talking to each other. The fight is getting too personal now to keep posting on the forum back and forth. And Hotsuma, I agree that Legato is a complete badass, and was a much better villain than Knives. Aoshi and Saitoh from Kenshin weren't really bad the whole time, but if you consider them villains, then they're good also. Itachi isn't that great of a villain yet, because we haven't had enough appearances with him, so we don't know much about him or his motives. Memnoch, give him time and he might interest you more.
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