Soon in anime itachi will appear

[Uberbaka]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi

Originally posted by: lasaire
What's scary about Itachi is his mystery. Nobody has any idea what his real motives are, and unlike Orochimaru and Kisame, who very obviously enjoy mayhem and murder, Itachi is much more subtle. He's not too proud to retreat when the ultimate goal is unachievable. That makes for someone MUCH more dangerous in the long run. SOmebody like Orochimaru or Kisame will get into fights just for the hell of it, and arrogance can certainly be deadly. Itachi, however, has more cunning than arrogance, which makes for a much scarier badass.

That isn't true at all. The ultimate scary badass, is someone who is strong enough to rape, murder, and pillage at sheer will. Why hide when you have nothing to hide from because you're indeed the strongest. The fact that Itachi retreats means that he is conscious of his existence, therefore he is afraid to die. Someone who is afraid to die becomes weak. If you don't take chances because you are afraid of your own mortality, then you can never become the strongest. You just become a person who does what they can to survive. There is nothing scary or badass about that.

There is nothing scary about Itachi's mystery. I think you really meant "appealing," like in "What's appealing about Itachi is his mystery."

I disagree, one who retreats is careful, but it doesn't mean he's afraid to die. Just because you don't act like some dumbass doing dumb shit doesn't make you worthless. By taking these "Chances" which you say make a person strong, they also let their guard down and allow themselves to be defeated, itachi doesn't let that happen, his guard is not affected by personal desires. He is calculating, or atleast that's the impression -I- have of him.

(I'm no itachi fanboy, i'm just arguing hiten mitsurugi's point about him being weak because hes not taking chances etc) (^_^ )

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

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Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi

Originally posted by: lasaire

That isn't true at all. The ultimate scary badass, is someone who is strong enough to rape, murder, and pillage at sheer will. Why hide when you have nothing to hide from because you're indeed the strongest. ."

True. That's why Gaara was the bad guy for me. Since I consider evil as absolute selfishness, Gaara was my man. I mourn his loss.
All other bad guys have their petty goals, like Oro's revenge against Konoha. That's not selfish, he was doing that because he hated the 3rd and love and hate are just two sides of the same attachement to a person or whatever.
Gaara did as he pleased. He didn't want to kill anybody in particular. So, he didn't have to waste his time plotting revenge or wanting to take over the world. His goal was to kill whomever he could, and that what he did. He was happy with himself, which means he had attained perfection as an evil guy. Being evil just for the sake of being evil...

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Uberbaka

I disagree, one who retreats is careful, but it doesn't mean he's afraid to die. Just because you don't act like some dumbass doing dumb shit doesn't make you worthless. By taking these "Chances" which you say make a person strong, they also let their guard down and allow themselves to be defeated, itachi doesn't let that happen, his guard is not affected by personal desires. He is calculating, or atleast that's the impression -I- have of him.

(I'm no itachi fanboy, i'm just arguing hiten mitsurugi's point about him being weak because hes not taking chances etc) (^_^ )

If you believe that strength is relative to just taking chances then you didn't get my point. A real bad-ass has no concious or fear. Just the thought of retreat means that they have regard for their life. Let me give you an examples.

If you fight someone who is known to retreat, then you can thwart his objectives by making him risk his life in return for completing his mission (i.e. make it so hard for him that he'll think twice). That's what happened to Itachi. Itachi could have easily tried to black flame (whatever it is) Jaraiya. But he didn't. Oh that's right, black flaming a wall and blackflaming a person, something that can move, are two different things.

Now if you fight someone who has no regard for life. You had better be ready to fight to the death because there isn't anything you can do to deter him or sway him. Now that is an ultimate badass and that's true fear. Regardless of how many men you have, or the type of weapons you're using. It's fight or die. Now those kind of badasses are the worst.

A great example would be Kyubi and the fourth. Kyubi has no regard for human life. He'll kill as many people as it takes. However the fourth was willing to step up to that challenge. Remember that kyubi is eternal. No other shinobi (from all villages) has ever stopped kyubi before. The fourth fought, willing to lose his life, in order to seal an eternal demon. Now that's an ultimate badass.

Now if you admire "calculated careful people" and think that's stupid then just imagine if the fourth had retreated like Itachi. Konoha villagers including many Uchihas, probably even Itachi, would have been killed.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Now if you admire "calculated careful people" and think that's stupid then just imagine if the fourth had retreated like Itachi. Konoha villagers including many Uchihas, probably even Itachi, would have been killed.

wrong. the 4th had to seal the kyubi right away or everything would've gone to hell. itachi, however, was in no rush of capturing naruto. he obivously has all the time in the world if he let naruto get away so easily like that. also, i think akatsuki wasn't too sure if naruto was the one who was sealed with the kyubi, cuz itachi said something like "well, if that's true about naruto then we don't have to hurry" or something like that.

[Vagabond]

I think he was pointing out that naruto was loud and very easy to find. So losing him now wasn't that big of a problem.

[One]

Originally posted by: JusDaMan
I predict 80 is a tribute to 3rd. and about kakashi things. etc etc. basically wat im saying is Chapter 139 is going to be the WHOLE episode 80 but twisted around.
So the episode starts with fillers and chapter 139 page 3 to 17 which is all about the 3rd hokage. then in the final minutes of the episode. cut scene: itachi appears and says his bit with kisame. then it ends. HELL YEA.

My predicition as well.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Now if you admire "calculated careful people" and think that's stupid then just imagine if the fourth had retreated like Itachi. Konoha villagers including many Uchihas, probably even Itachi, would have been killed.

wrong. the 4th had to seal the kyubi right away or everything would've gone to hell. itachi, however, was in no rush of capturing naruto. he obivously has all the time in the world if he let naruto get away so easily like that. also, i think akatsuki wasn't too sure if naruto was the one who was sealed with the kyubi, cuz itachi said something like "well, if that's true about naruto then we don't have to hurry" or something like that.

Dazzz, that was the point, many people would have died. A true badass would have just stuck around instead of fleeing, in the face of any opposition.

Itachi not being in a rush (the manga has an ending). Now thankfully, we don't know who the leader of Akatsuki is yet, but do you think that he rewards failure. Itachi doesn't have all the time in the world. He could die the very next day. A ninja is given a mission. He must complete that mission (he should be glad that he's a ninja and not a samurai, because if he was, the only thing awaiting him would be hara kiri). A ninja is suppose to use stealth. He's given his identity and target away. He is at a disadvantage now. Also the longer he waits the stronger Naruto gets.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Dazzz, that was the point, many people would have died. A true badass would have just stuck around instead of fleeing, in the face of any opposition.

no hiten! you missed my point. i was trying to say that for the 4th it was either now or never. but for itachi it can be now or later. time isn't a matter for itachi, he can wait til the next month to get naruto cuz naruto isn't going anywhere.

Itachi not being in a rush (the manga has an ending). Now thankfully, we don't know who the leader of Akatsuki is yet, but do you think that he rewards failure. Itachi doesn't have all the time in the world. He could die the very next day. A ninja is given a mission. He must complete that mission (he should be glad that he's a ninja and not a samurai, because if he was, the only thing awaiting him would be hara kiri). A ninja is suppose to use stealth. He's given his identity and target away. He is at a disadvantage now. Also the longer he waits the stronger Naruto gets.

but itachi isn't gonna die the next, he's the strongest guy we've seen so far. and the reason why itachi retreated is because not only is he not in a hurry but he doesn't want to make a big scene which can lead to like 100 leaf ninjas vs him (of course he would lose). and he isn't at a disadvantage, people already knew itachi was after naruto. it's still the same situation. also, it doesn't even matter if naruto gets stronger, no matter how much strong naruto becomes, it won't be a match for itachi or kisame.

EDIT: response to below:

ok, first, you people gotta learn how to quote things and not mess it up and use proper punctuation (sometimes it's really difficult to determine which is a question and which isn't). i have no idea what you're trying to say.
second, obviously i didn't mean that itachi was gonna let naruto run loose for years, i meant like in matter of weeks. and for naruto to catch up to itachi's overall awesome ninja abilities, i'd give it at least 7 years.

[Knives122]

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Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi

also, it doesn't even matter if naruto gets stronger, no matter how much strong naruto becomes, it won't be a match for itachi or kisame.

and why not b/c of his sharingan and kisame's shark toothed sword, if you think about it its like zabuza and haku but in a different situation, Naruto can beat those two but with time, and his akward style confuses his opponents, this will make them second guess Naruto, which they should not do

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Dazzz, that was the point, many people would have died. A true badass would have just stuck around instead of fleeing, in the face of any opposition.

no hiten! you missed my point. i was trying to say that for the 4th it was either now or never. but for itachi it can be now or later. time isn't a matter for itachi, he can wait til the next month to get naruto cuz naruto isn't going anywhere.

Itachi not being in a rush (the manga has an ending). Now thankfully, we don't know who the leader of Akatsuki is yet, but do you think that he rewards failure. Itachi doesn't have all the time in the world. He could die the very next day. A ninja is given a mission. He must complete that mission (he should be glad that he's a ninja and not a samurai, because if he was, the only thing awaiting him would be hara kiri). A ninja is suppose to use stealth. He's given his identity and target away. He is at a disadvantage now. Also the longer he waits the stronger Naruto gets.

but itachi isn't gonna die the next, he's the strongest guy we've seen so far. and the reason why itachi retreated is because not only is he not in a hurry but he doesn't want to make a big scene which can lead to like 100 leaf ninjas vs him (of course he would lose). and he isn't at a disadvantage, people already knew itachi was after naruto. it's still the same situation. also, it doesn't even matter if naruto gets stronger, no matter how much strong naruto becomes, it won't be a match for itachi or kisame.

EDIT: response to below:

ok, first, you people gotta learn how to quote things and not mess it up and use proper punctuation (sometimes it's really difficult to determine which is a question and which isn't). i have no idea what you're trying to say.
second, obviously i didn't mean that itachi was gonna let naruto run loose for years, i meant like in matter of weeks. and for naruto to catch up to itachi's overall awesome ninja abilities, i'd give it at least 7 years.

Dude, the point is that if he was a true badass he wouldn't need to run, regardless of whether or not there was 100 ninjas coming. If people truly feared him, there would only be like 10 ninjas coming and the rest would be running in the opposite direction.

Nobody knew that Itachi was after Naruto. They only knew (because of Jaraiya, and he isn't everybody) that an organization (not Itachi) called Akatsuki was possibly after Naruto. Since Itachi's failed attempt to leave Konoha, Itachi has confirmed that Akatsuki does want Naruto and that Itachi and Kisame are part of Akatsuki.


You should mind your I's.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Dude, the point is that if he was a true badass he wouldn't need to run, regardless of whether or not there was 100 ninjas coming. If people truly feared him, there would only be like 10 ninjas coming and the rest would be running in the opposite direction.

ok... you're making it as if to be a true bad ass, you have to be able to take on 10+ ninjas and still survive it. cmon man, be realistic. even if it's 10 vs 1, or a 3 vs 1, itachi would lose. itachi isn't kyubi, you know.

[hiten mitsurugi]

exactly....

[Assertn]

but......hiashi just totally kaitened like, 10 guys at the SAME TIME
that was a 10v1 scenario that ended rather pathetically on the 10's behalf

[MemnochTheCaT]

Just thought I'd add ..

Udon > Itachi [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Mut]

yeah he did against like lame asses. itachi has faced all these jounins and a sannin. and hiten, if you're serious about what you said... then it's retarded.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
yeah he did against like lame asses. itachi has faced all these jounins and a sannin. and hiten, if you're serious about what you said... then it's retarded.

How do we know they were like retarded? They could have been the Sound Village's special Anbu unit or the Sand village's special ops team.

[Raven]

They were no names. If they were strong, we would have known who they were. They were only cannon fodder.

Itachi is still a bad-ass, the fact that he retreated means nothing. Dazzz is right, he knew that he'd have hundreds of nins on his back if he didn't leave. Even he couldn't take on the whole village by himself, but that doesn't make him any less of a bad-ass.

[MemnochTheCaT]

We don't really know that much about Itachi at this point, just that he is damn strong [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Will be interesting to see him come again, I'd love to see Jiraiya own him, but the storyline seems to be concentrated on an eventual sasuke/itachi showdown. Maybe the battle will be so severe that both of them will die, that would be perfect ...

[sangai]

yeah. itachi couldn't beat 200 nins coming at him eventually he would get beat.

that is also how the first and second most likely died they got abushed.

hell yeah. itachi is gonna be in the next episode. but i dun really care for itachi. hell yeah for kisame.

[hiten mitsurugi]

They were no names. If they were strong, we would have known who they were. They were only cannon fodder.

Itachi is still a bad-ass, the fact that he retreated means nothing. Dazzz is right, he knew that he'd have hundreds of nins on his back if he didn't leave. Even he couldn't take on the whole village by himself, but that doesn't make him any less of a bad-ass.

Names were left up to Kishimoto.

Whatever floats your boat. It's just that your category of a badass would fall into my "wannabe" category, but then I guess I have higher standards.