Iraq War

[Assertn]

so you're implying that the random armed civilians are going to cause the US to draft more people?

[Stoopider]

Originally posted by: Xollence
I think that's the problem. Random armed civilians are a lot tougher to deal with than an actual army.

He's talking about Guerilla Warfare.

[Assertn]

i uh.....know what he's talking about
but that doesnt change anything

thats the second time already that you've misinterpreted a conversation between me and someone else [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Xollence]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
so you're implying that the random armed civilians are going to cause the US to draft more people?

No, I'm implying that it would be a lot tougher to deal with random civilians. Look at the way the war is going so far, around 800+ dead and 4300+ wounded just from "random armed civilians". And even when they setup a new government, troops will be staying there for another year or more. They're actually sending more troops right now.

This war won't be all about missles and bombs, many foot soldiers are required for house to house searches and city fighting.

[Assertn]

the size of our army isnt by any means low enough for them to go drafting people just to act as police officers in iraq....which is the point i was trying to make

and obviously we wouldnt be dropping bombs on iraq for random civilians.....i was saying "WAR is technology driven".....and i would hardly consider watching guard around the new government as any sort of war

[SK]

maybe intelligence says there may be a larger war soon like NKorea or China, and the government knows they need more troops. you never know really, maybe they just want a bigger army to be prepared

[Xollence]

Our soldiers will still be fighting and dying in Iraq for at least another year, since I doubt the Iraqi people will follow the new government which will most likely be US controlled. I wasn't saying anything about a draft, just saying we shouldn't underestimate the random armed civilians. It's going to be a lot more than just watching guard.

[Stoopider]

I don't think their going to implement it. Unless, like Sharingan Kakashi says. As it is right now, it's illogical.

[chambers]

i actually agree with national service, i think everyone at age 16 should be sent for 2 years service ESPECIALLY men. they should be only trained however, not sent to war, then when the times comes and they need a national draft they have a pool of already trained young, fit men. people who want to abstain form the draft will be allowed to do so because they will have a pool of some 20-30 million men at least ready to step up. it would also be a great benefit to the society, crime levels would drop at incredible levels, young men would be given disipline, direction and drive. they would also have MONEY, a deposit on a house maybe? pay for the education perhaps? almost anyway you look at it it works.

and S-K i wasnt trying to belittle you or anything, i was just saying that anyone who thinks that everyone should/want to fight for there country hasnt been there themselves. ive seen men the size of mike tyson cry because they want to go home, its not nice. the thing about the army is you go in and its hell untill you wake up and realize it just isnt getting any better. the day you work out that every day is shit no matter what, is the day you can keep doing it. so sorry s-k no offense meant.

*end preech*

[Stoopider]

16 maybe a bit too young wouldn't it? I would think around 18 or 19 just after high school.

[Xollence]

Yeah a lot of Asian countries send 18 year olds to the army for 2 years.

[Stoopider]

I can only think of two countries... Singapore and Isreal. Not too sure about Taiwan. Oh yeah, switzerland as well. I have a friend there who 'was' a chauffeur for the general for his National Service. Awesome!

Malaysia has National Service as well, but it's non militaristic.. It's a total waste of time thinking that it will promote nationalism, patriotism and racial tolerance by marching in circles and running around parks under the sun.

[Stoopider]

I can only think of two countries... Singapore and Isreal. Not too sure about Taiwan. Oh yeah, switzerland as well. I have a friend there who 'was' a chauffeur for the general for his National Service. Awesome!

Malaysia has National Service as well, but it's non militaristic.. It's a total waste of time thinking that it will promote nationalism, patriotism and racial tolerance by marching in circles and running around parks under the sun.

[chambers]

i think youll find a lot of countrys do it actually, but i never knew switzerland did it??????? in fact i woulld have thought they discouraged people form joining there army, as people pay a LOT less taxes so they cant fund it as much as a nother country the same size.

[FearTheMullet]

I haven't bothered to read through this whole thread but one post did catch my eye. "The Us is making the world a better place, and if that means removing some tyrants, then so be it." What I want to see is someone go remove the tyranically terrorists sitting in Washington that think they own the World. All the US did by invading Iraq was repeat the mistakes they made in Vietnam. When a people are "liberated" by a system and culture they dont want to be "liberated" by they will NOT co-operate. Just like when the USSR "liberated" Poland, that led to 50 years of political and social unrest, marshall law being impsed in the 80's and massacares of protesters. Or other Eastern block European states, armed uprising that led to nothing. Or for example in the Balkans when Milosevc thought he could tame the Balkans into his Yugoslavia, the same think Bush thinks he cna do in the middle east, occupy a TOTALLY different culture then the one he has grown up in and change their thinking by bombing them out of their homes. If the Americans are there to make peace, why in hell do your boys in arms think its a necesarry self defense to drive a truck over a poor Iraqi's car because he stole a few logs of wood. Yeah, your armies soldiers are bright. Your government (and as is justice in many posts) your citizens feel and think because "We have the most pwoer we can do anything we want to pretect ourselve. Its no terrorims tohugh, its self defense" Bull shit, and your arguments of "You dont live here, you dont know what its like" The Iraqi's are brainwashed? How aobut you yourselves? YOur not brainwashed thinking in your closed minded ways? Germany was the greatest Millitary power in 1939, they served all the asses of their enemies to them on a silver platter and thought they could do whatever they wanted. Eventually over time they were destryoed. I sincerely hope, and no offense and you may take this in a bad way and think "Oh my god! Your evil and disgusting" but I SERIOUSLY hope your frekaing country gets more millitary attacks and some REAL casualties. Oh boo hoo 9/11! Wah wah! 2000-5000 people died, we gotta cry and excepct condolense form the world, when did America say " Oh I'm sorry Palestine, the Israeli millitary is commiting terrorist acts funded by us" or "I'm sorry Kurds, and citizens of Iraq, your dictator was killing you off because we sold him weapons" or better yet "Hey america, we trained Bin Laden, your own govenment did this". Honestly, I dont like to hold stereyotypes but many postrs on this foorum have confirmed that you Americans are so fucking isolated from war and hate and death you go apeshit on thw world because two buildings blow. Cry me a river that whole fucking country is full of pussy boys. A few thousand people died in a building explosion the whole world is to blame. Where I come from 6 Million Jews and 3 million non jew burned allive in the gas chambers, we didnt expect an apology and condolences form the world. Nor did we get them, you wanna know what my country got for our participation with the Western allies? America BANNING our army for partaking in victory parades with the rest of the armies that fought. the ban was lifted in the 1990's and we were finally allowed to amrch with the rest when jsut about 60% of our vetrans died off. Honeslty, you damn americans piss me off. What you idiots need is to someone to invade your country and kill a few million of you ass holes off so you can come down here to reality where everyone else is at.

[Mut]

sucks to be a non-american, fearthemullet. it's ok though... maybe one day your country will be just as strong and proud as our's! =D

[chambers]

OMG man parapgraphs are your friend!!

but about your topic, the thing you are hopeing for IS iraq. the allied forces will get there asses handed to them for years and years to come. just like in vientam where the 3rd largest army in the world pushed back the largest, in iraq the (only estimates by MI5 apparently....) 2nd largest guerilla force in the world today will hand the allies there own asses back. the ting is america has always rellied on strength in numbers an technology, and when neithe rnumbers or tech matter that have lost. its a well laughed at fact that only the US navy (and not the army or usaf) even knows what stratagey is.

but dude wishing for people to attack other people is insane. and i totaly do not give a flying fuck about iraqis or anyone else that can attempt to overthrow the largest army in the world but not some piss pot dictator. if all the iraqs just sat and waited this would be over a LOT sooner and the allies would be gone within a few years.

[FearTheMullet]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
sucks to be a non-american, fearthemullet. it's ok though... maybe one day your country will be just as strong and proud as our's! =D

Proud? Of what?

[SK]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
sucks to be a non-american, fearthemullet. it's ok though... maybe one day your country will be just as strong and proud as our's! =D

haha i was thinking the same thing! i didnt even read that whole friggin rant, too, damn, long.

[Assertn]

of course FearTheMullet couldnt have pride for his country....thats why he doesnt even let us view his profile!

i guess you can compare the US's brainwashing to the brainwashing of the iraqi government once bush starts gassing his own people and blaming it on another country

i like though how you took the liberty of speaking on behalf of iraq, despite the fact that alot of them would actually like a government that gives them more power and freedom. My friend served civilian duties in iraq, and had not encountered a single situation where he had to shoot at anyone....you make it sound as if their people actually preferred to live under saddam's tyranny


edit: wooo....2000th post!