Originally posted by: Lego
I don't really meddle into politics to much, considering it brings up lengthy debates and such. I consider myself a moderate democrat.

Ive come to realization that no matter what i do, short of blowing myself up inside the white house(yeh , like im gonna do that pfft) that protesting,bitching does nothing.

Hell, i could go stand on the street corner going , OMFG USA AR NAZI! , and no one would care, just honk at me and shout profanity.

What i do feel strongly about, as ive stated before are generalizations. We didn't vote for war, we wern't consulted in this war.

So stop bitching and complaining that the american people are nazi's,war mongers, and blah blah blah.

Instead of focusing so much on us and our buissness, why not go help out Kosovo, after the clashes that have hapened there in the past few months.
Lego this is a tired argument - you made your point about generalisations twice (at least) and no-one is doing that anymore so be happy [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]...

(just to point out thats the end of the reply to lego)

The freedom of speech argument is valid r3n pointed out is true because the USA Patriot Act (which I posted a link for) says people can be arrested, prosecuted and convicted of terrorism for a mere protest! That is a denial of freedom, and an aspect of totalitarianism. Also, please examine the section on the link I provided which shows the act also involves laws that don't seem to have anything to do with terrorism.

SADDAM IS NOT A TERRORIST! I don't know whether he applauded Bin Laden or not, but Bin Laden hated, and I really do mean HATED Saddam...he went on record several times declaring Saddam his enemy. Also, like I keep saying - a pre-emptive war can not be justified...saying 'before long this might happen' is an appalling and paranoid way of looking at something...why not just bomb the fuck out of everyone then they'll do exactly what the government says?

What makes some people here think that the US government can just push everyone around and make everyone kowtow to their judgement? Iraq posed no threat to America at the time, and there was no evidence to suggest they ever would.

Finally, please stop linking 9/11 to Saddam Hussein - he had nothing to do with it - Bin Laden is responsible like that, so America has every right to get him...I'm very sorry that someone's relative had an aunt killed in 9/11, but that doesn't lend any strength to the argument justifying a war because of 9/11 because that was a completely different situation...your government manipulated 9/11 as an excuse to fill it's people full of fear and to assert more control over the population, and also to invade Iraq. I know 9/11 didn't happen in my country...but that doesn't have anything to do with the war with Iraq.

And yes, protest does have little effect, but its the only thing that can be done in the meantime and it shows people that people oppose it, I just hope when voting time comes more people vote for a better candidate than Bush.

Mut@t@ - the very idea that you are saying America has to keep everyone else in check is very frightening...the fact that America has more power than everyone else does NOT mean they should govern what goes on around the world - do you really believe America is above everyone else just because they have more power?