Iraq War

[r3n]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-

Originally posted by: r3n
id say the american government is as evil as the nazis were. they sold weapons to the iraqis as allies WHILE all this genocide stuff was happening in iraq, and now they call them their enemies for the single reason which is oil. theyve killed thousands of INNOCENT ppl purely for oil. notice how america hasnt even touched zimbabwe, where the president ordered the killing of hundreds of white farmers. not only this but he frequently arrests or kills opposition parties to his presidential position. ie. a dictator. but does america do anything about this? even though, i would say, it is almost exactly the same situation as iraq. and why doesnt america do anything about this? because its of no benefit to them.

you dont seriously think the american government is hunting so called "terrorists" for the safety of innocent ppl around the world do you? the american government couldnt care less about innocent ppl, why do you think it let 9/11 happen in the first place? so that it had a strong reason to invade the middle east, and why is it doing this? for oil.

the american goverment has no morals. it will order the killing of innocents purely to secure oil reserves. its as evil as evil gets, jst that it uses the media to disguise this fact. the sooner more ppl realise this truth the better.

Wow, hmmm. So, what country are you from? Is your country doing anything to help Zimbabwe? I didnt think so. If you think that the US government in place right now...and NO not EVERY administration is the same and runs the country in the same way, is as bad as the Nazis then you need to check your facts.
Hitler murdered over 2 million innocent Jews and also killed Poles, Gypsies etc. Look at the American government, who are at WAR with Iraq. There has always been casualties in war, which people need to accept. If you actually believe that ALL the civilians who have been killed were innocent then you need to look at what is going on in Iraq right now, CIVILIANS, followeres of the Shiite cleric, killing American CIVILIANS and soldiers. This war is not about oil, thats a stupid misconception since the US gets almost all of its oil from Venezuela and other South American countries. The US is going to do what it needs to do to help itself. That is human nature, who are you going to help first, yourself or a stranger? By going to war with Iraq we would, ideally, put in place a US backed democratic goverment, which would be another ally in the middle east. Not every country is perfect, and countries will do what it needs to do that will help themselves in the long run.

eugh im not saying bush is following what hitler did in anyway, jst saying hes evil. which he is. its jst a photo i found, i didnt make it myself. im from the UK and my government jst as useless, when it comes to making their own decisions, they jst follow america like a lapdog, not that the population is too happy about it. and lego when ever i said "america" i dont mean the american people, i jst mean the government, im too lazy to type out the full thing. trust me i dont think many of the american population are as fucked as their government (atleast i hope not). and lego, dont go comparing the modern day germans to the nazis, they have nothing to do with them, and germany has 1 of the largest ethnic populations in europe - go figure.

sangai when u say support in arabic and muselim countries you were joking right?

[Swallow Your Soul]

id have to say im pro war. us the uninted states is doing this to show that we will go after anykind of terrorism and retaliate to any kind of acts of war.

Iraq have no links to terrorism at all. There is a huge difference between a tyrant of his own country and a terrorist. Also, Iraq never made an act of war against America. America did.

I gotta say I agree with r3n.

Someone made a comment before about 'whether we like it or not, America is the big super power who can pretty much do what they want' - that is EXACTLY what I'm afraid of...I don't see why they should be able to impose their beliefs on other countries - when the other country didn't do against them...

It is a fact that Iraq did not have, and showed no signs of making any kind of weapons to threaten the west, yes Saddam was a tyrant and did absolutely unspeakable things to his own people, but he knew better than to attack America...and there was no evidence to suggest Iraq could have been plotting anything in terms of attacking America.

A pre-emptive war is totally unjustifiable - you need concrete proof (or at least you are MEANT to have concrete proof) to go to war, the fact America and their bitch (by bitch I refer to my own snivelling country) went to war without offering a solid reason (their reasons also changed many times - they could not get their story straight because it quickly became apparent that there were no WMD in Iraq so they started talking about the the humanity etc). The 'evidence' given by both the UK and the US is so badly edited to suit their purposes of justifying the war that it borders on propaganda rather than evidence The fact that the major superpower is carrying out actions like this is very scary indeed...cross America and get battered...that seems to be the message coming across...

I find it depressing that no-one would ever vote for the Lib Dems over here in Britain...everyone just votes for the Conservatives (right wing) or the Labour Party (currently in power - supposedly left wing but have practically become right wing). I also find it sickening that Blair keeps narrowly getting out of trouble on a lot of his policies (his policies on education are just appalling, though thats another matter).

I also find it very scary that recently one of the major people in the US government said that if someone doesn't comply with the USA Patriot Act then they are not a patriot of their country, even going so far as to call them a 'domestic terrorist' - that is going directly against whatever Amendment it is in your constitution which allows you the right to free speech - as this person (I forget his name) said public debate on the USA Patriot Act is simply not allowed...a lot of people don't even know about this act - I find it terrifying that such a basic right is being denied to the people...whether you agree with the war or not surely people should agree that free speech is something that everyone (no matter on how much you dislike their views) has the right to.

This quote is taken from the 'EEF Analysis of the USA Patriot Act "One new definition of terrorism and three expansions of previous terms also expand the scope of surveillance. They are 1) § 802 definition of "domestic terrorism" (amending 18 USC §2331), which raises concerns about legitimate protest activity resulting in conviction on terrorism charges" - that is basically pointing out that people who are protesting legally can be arrested on suspicion of being terrorists!! How can that be justified? If you want to read any more of the quite worrying stuff this act entails then Click Here

[r3n]

i agree, the american government is cracking down on freedom of speach, id be worried if i lived there.

[itachi_]

The best thing to do.... US should not care about other countries problems, acting like the world-protector, man don't give a damn, that's what I would've done...

[SK]

That's the whole point, you don't live here, and you don't know how things are here. As far as you can tell the Bush adminstration is not taking away any of our freedom of speech rights, just because they said it doesnt means its enforced. The way I see it is, the goverment can spy on people as much as they want to ensure safety, and if you dont even know about it, then who cares? 9/11 didnt happen in your country, which is probably why you can have the views you have. My cousins live in Brooklyn, and my aunt's friend was killed in the World Trade Center. Sadaam was a terrorist, and he also applauded Bin Laden for the terror attacks on 9/11. The way I look at it, allowing Sadaam to stay in power means another enemy in the middle east, who wields a lot of power by the fact that he ruled an oil rich country. He killed any who would oppose him, and kept his people poor and in fear of their leader. If your the US why not take out the enemy who got away last time? The US has never been on good terms with Iraq, and by invading Iraq you get oil, a new democratic US backed goverment, and an ally in the middle east. Yes the US is doing this for itself, but by doing this theyre also helping the people in Iraq, while gaining more power in the middle east. I see nothing wrong with extending your world power, especially when your the strongest country in the world.

[itachi_]

Comon, he just want to finnish his dad's work

[SamuraiOdin]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
That's the whole point, you don't live here, and you don't know how things are here. As far as you can tell the Bush adminstration is not taking away any of our freedom of speech rights, just because they said it doesnt means its enforced. The way I see it is, the goverment can spy on people as much as they want to ensure safety, and if you dont even know about it, then who cares? 9/11 didnt happen in your country, which is probably why you can have the views you have. My cousins live in Brooklyn, and my aunt's friend was killed in the World Trade Center. Sadaam was a terrorist, and he also applauded Bin Laden for the terror attacks on 9/11. The way I look at it, allowing Sadaam to stay in power means another enemy in the middle east, who wields a lot of power by the fact that he ruled an oil rich country. He killed any who would oppose him, and kept his people poor and in fear of their leader. If your the US why not take out the enemy who got away last time? The US has never been on good terms with Iraq, and by invading Iraq you get oil, a new democratic US backed goverment, and an ally in the middle east. Yes the US is doing this for itself, but by doing this theyre also helping the people in Iraq, while gaining more power in the middle east. I see nothing wrong with extending your world power, especially when your the strongest country in the world.

I agree with the above. I mean look, if you have nothing to hide, why do you care if the government looks in on you from time to time? By weakening the middle-east, we strengthen ourselves, and in the long run that is what everyone is trying to do.

[Lego]

The best thing to do.... US should not care about other countries problems, acting like the world-protector, man don't give a damn, that's what I would've done...

See, thats the beauty of world opinion itachi. If we stayed out of all the worlds problems, being one of the biggest military forces , people would still bitch. Hell, we didn't step in in haiti or that one african nation, i currently forget the name of that country, and people bitched for us to do so.

We don't give a dam, world goes to shit.

[Mut]

the us isn't doing anything wrong. we have to act like the daddy of all countries or everything is gonna go to shit. and besides, if we don't keep people in check, everyone will start going ape shit, hurting the us economically. which sucks.

[Assertn]

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Originally posted by: Swallow Your Soul

It is a fact that Iraq did not have, and showed no signs of making any kind of weapons to threaten the west, yes Saddam was a tyrant and did absolutely unspeakable things to his own people, but he knew better than to attack America...and there was no evidence to suggest Iraq could have been plotting anything in terms of attacking America.

this argument in itself suggests that he wasnt plotting anything against america because he wasnt strong enough to. now....like communism back in the day, countries CAN expand their power and alliances....and they CAN become stronger because of it. If everybody waited until someone became a huge powerful threat, then it would be bad for all of us

r3n, where does freedom of speech come into play? people have anti-bush ads and stuff just the same as that picture you posted......so i find that not only is that irrelevent, but also inaccurate