By not relying on juutsus, i meant that Jiraiya has Rasengan, and Tsunade healing stuff, I highly doubt Itachi can copy this type of juutsu, which gives them better chances against Itachi, and even if Itachi is stronger then them, it's not by much, and it'd be mainly because of sharingan.

EDIT: Btw, I gave you a 10 on your rating thing Assertn [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]