Good fight, good opening, and good ending, there really wasn't much that you could complain about.
Good fight, good opening, and good ending, there really wasn't much that you could complain about.
Looks like proportions are going to hell next week, but that means great fluid animations! =]
Respect the joindate, not the postcount ;P
I don't see what's their prob either. Nine tailed foxes are way more powerful that single tailed ones. I believe they grow a tail every 900 years or something like that, and also are tought to be immortal (hence the fact that the Kyuubi was sealed, not killed). I don't see why Naruto wouldn't henge in anything less than that. Even if he himself is not as powerful as the Kyuubi, since he's using henge, he might as well do it right, adding the fear factor brought by the extra 8 tails.Originally posted by: Kagari
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and I come here and hear people complaining about tails, next episode animation and that they are "happy to see the anime picking up again."
.....What?!?!
Finally got the dl to work off BakaSan and all I can say is this was one of my favorite eps so far. Cool opening and ending too, only problem I had is it seemed so short! But that's probably just because the ep was awesome and I can't wait for the next one. Time to watch it again. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Im not saying your wrong , your right in certain aspect but you cant deny your post solidfied my statement .I understand their intentions to use ninetail fox .But for us at subconcious lvl we are going to tease ourselves thinking its the actual Ninetails. Yes we read the manga and yes we know its henge but our minds will lead us to compare its Gamabunta henge version to the real Kyubbi. And clear as clear can be Naruto and Kyyubi are different characters not the one and the same or else you are as ignorant as the konoha villagers . [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
1) when most people read the manga, im sure the first thing that came to their minds was that it WAS KYUBI....and that didnt really cause any confusionOriginally posted by: Hokage-IV
Kishimoto shouldve gone with 1tail, subconciously it will give false impression that was the actual ninetails. Theoretically, in our my minds we will compare Gamabunta henge version of ninetails power to Shukaku or for future reference.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
if you're curious about the pig, watch a little farther in the intro and you'll see him again
the point of naruto transforming into a fox is that its the actual "demon fox".....which has 9 tails.....
its hard to see where the tails are in the manga cause you dont get a good view, but it would be pretty dumb to try to pull off a very symbollic event like this henge and then just barely miss the nail by making them transform into "just some regular fox"
2) to make it just a normal fox would ruin the type of reaction that im sure kishimoto had intended the viewers to have
3) henge is a ninjutsu, not genjutsu.....if gamabunta has kyubi's form, and naruto has kyubi's chakra.....then for all we know, the henge couldve resulted in a creature JUST as strong as kyubi
btw its Naruto's vision of the Kyyubi and Gamabunta's chakra was used to transform. And we know Gamabunta chakra doesnt equal to kyyubi and for argument sake, Naruto's chakra doesnt equal with the actual thing (not even close), hes only uses portion of it. But we cant help ourselves but to compare and think to ourselves maybe it was possible that was the real thing that is why i think who animated the episode should've stuck with the manga. Cuz I believe it will downplay the kyyubi and will hurt certain aspect of it when time progresses. thats just my onpinion but iim sure alot of ppl prefer 9tails.
I personally wanted to see "4000 hits using both legs"... but meh, what are you going to do [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
well uh....ok if you insist.......
personally i just think "holy crap, gamabunta looks like kyubi"
but i guess if the possible misconceptions that a few of the people who happen to confuse it with the real thing outweighs the symbollic impact of having it the way they did, then its a mistake on their part......personally i'd have to say that isnt likely
besides.....unless gamabunta gets his ass beat in kyubi form, i dont think the kyubi name will be downplayed any more than it has 13 years ago when it lost to a bunch of ninjas and ended up inside the body of a baby
EDIT: i wasnt referring to your post btw, umdiddly...you snuck one in before i got to respond [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Kagari .. "and I come here and hear people complaining about tails, next episode animation and that they are "happy to see the anime picking up again."
.....What?!?! "
WTF? Where did you get the idea that I was complaining? All I said was that it was nice to see the animation quality noticably improve! I thought it was a great episode .. so plz exlpain wtf you were getting at.
I agree with you but you will see statement like this pop upOriginally posted by: AssertnFailure
well uh....ok if you insist.......
personally i just think "holy crap, gamabunta looks like kyubi"
but i guess if the possible misconceptions that a few of the people who happen to confuse it with the real thing outweighs the symbollic impact of having it the way they did, then its a mistake on their part......personally i'd have to say that isnt likely
besides.....unless gamabunta gets his ass beat in kyubi form, i dont think the kyubi name will be downplayed any more than it has 13 years ago when it lost to a bunch of ninjas and ended up inside the body of a baby
EDIT: i wasnt referring to your post btw, umdiddly...you snuck one in before i got to respond [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
"3) henge is a ninjutsu, not genjutsu.....if gamabunta has kyubi's form, and naruto has kyubi's chakra.....then for all we know, the henge couldve resulted in a creature JUST as strong as kyubi"
whats wrong with that?Originally posted by: Hokage-IV
"3) henge is a ninjutsu, not genjutsu.....if gamabunta has kyubi's form, and naruto has kyubi's chakra.....then for all we know, the henge couldve resulted in a creature JUST as strong as kyubi"
the episode hasnt even shown any more than kyubi slashing the screen, so its too early to confirm nor deny that argument
besides, just as gaara's final form becomes stronger with the will of shukaku in control, maybe the body and chakra of kyubi is weaker without the will of kyubi in control
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Nothing is wrong with it, its just a example of how we are subconciously , not even knowing to ourselves that we are comparing henge version stregnth to the real thing.
Otherwise there is no reason to say ninjutsu or genjutsu cuz does it really matter? its not the kyyubi.
Sealed but not killed. It's not possible to kill him because he's immortal...like evil or stupidity, those things never die.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
besides.....unless gamabunta gets his ass beat in kyubi form, i dont think the kyubi name will be downplayed any more than it has 13 years ago when it lost to a bunch of ninjas and ended up inside the body of a baby
The whole thing about Naruto is that he has to walk on the razor's edge: he cannot be possessed by the kyuubi, and a the same time, he has to learn to control and utilize the kyuubi's power. Unlike Naruto, Gaara is completely taken over by the Shukaku, and loses his self in the process.
Both of them have traits of their inner demons in their outer personalites, but obviously the sealing in Naruto was more efficient, since transforming into a woman and being a prankster are way less harmful traits than those displayed by Gaara.
Once more, we have to point out that the 4th is a way better Ninja than the Kazekage, and better looking, too.
And yeah, as for the symbolic meaning. I think it's kinda cool that people get confused. If everything were totally obvious, there would be no fun at all in watching the show. I mean, was it Naruto henged or the Kyuubi himself? Did Naruto lose it? May or may not be. Either it will be explained later or it will remain a mystery, and both are good choices.
actually, hokage-IV, when i pointed out that "for all we know, the henge couldve resulted in a creature JUST as strong as kyubi"....that would have never came to my mind until AFTER you gave your subconscious theory....if you hadnt started arguing about how it could affect viewers in unintended ways, then i prolly wouldnt have even given it much thought....and now only because it was specifically brought to attention had i started to wonder more about it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
and Neji-Aniki-sama, i was just trying to make a point.....but you dont know if kyubi cant be killed...because there is such a thing as artistic license (er whatever the exact phrase is) that allows the creator to adjust details like that in any way they wish.....i think the fact that naruto bringing to kyubi's attention that he would die if naruto dies could indicate that kyubi actually ISNT immortal
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
all I can say is, awsome episode!
great Op and End themes.
you're right, I only realized that later on.Originally posted by: Elessar
Edit:
@ booJay:
If you paid attention, the demon fox did at no point come aut physically.
All he did was a simple HENGE of Gamabunta and himself to the appearence of the demon fox.
Just like he henge'd to Hakage-sama back in ninja school or into a windmill shuriken during the wave country arc.
ONCE AGAIN AND SLOW:
THE DEMON FOX WAS NOT RELEASED. IT WAS A SIMPLE HENGE INTO HIS SHAPE. HE WAS NOT UNLEASHED.
We foresaw that this would happen in the open section right ater we saw that the anime uses THE demon fox instead of just a huge fox like in the anime. Never imagined it would happen that early.
It's been a long time since i have had so much fun watching naruto. Very good episode d/l it now!
This was definitely one of the best episodes in a long long time.... there was so much build up to this one, and I definitely wasn't disappointed with this episode at all.
I had no idea that Naruto had that much Chakra in himself without using Nine Tails. And that Nine Tails Henge at the end of the episode has got to be one of the nicest touches at the end of any episode so far in the series. This episode was completely out of the world. I just hope they're able to top this, because it's going to be tough.
Did anyone feel like this episode was really really really long? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
I loved it, there was so much action, I was moving my mouse down to check how far I was literally every 10 seconds because I was afraid it would end!!!
BTW: about 9 tails. I think the intention was to leave this as a cliffy for people to wonder if it was really just a henge or maybe.. just maaaybe... kyuubi came out =). I remember reading it in the manga and I just saw the fox i was like.> HOLY MIOTHER LKDSLKFJ:LNIOAJJRLKFMK FSWEET JEEBUS!!!. But then I came to my senses. Oh dear, what are the anime watchers going to do this next week while they wait for the real answer? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img].
why isnt the raw and other groups releases annoced in the naruto Open Discussion section?
Info on S-O:
I downloaded and watched Shin Otaku's sub. Quality-wise it seems okay (not a joke release or anything) , and isn't choppy for me.
Browsing over the replies the one that caught my eye was Kagari's "i hate you guys" post. I think by nature the people that would post first are the people that have been waiting more "attentively" and therefore jack their expectations up instead of throughly enjoying the release. But, I've shared your feelings here too and so after a while ago I stopped reading these forums as much.
I think also that some people just are happy inside after watching the ep and so they don't sound excited when posting stuff. Personally I find it difficult to post enthusiastically on forums.
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