People say itachi is strongest character introduced, but what about naruto?

[Gods_Son]

Hiten mitsurugi, despite Naruto's potential, I would still consider Itachi to be the strongest fighter right now. I think they all had an equal chance of being skilled, and I don't think Itachi's family environment was really that much of an advantage to him, considering he killed them all. Kyubi is actually a huge help to Naruto as well, even though it made him an outcast, and took him a while to get used to and mix it in with his own chakra. I think it's a fair comparison and you do not, let's end it at that. Itachi_, what are you thinking? You've already been "banned" once, you should probably try to keep a low profile and not annoy people

[jing]

Just because you have kyubi chakra doesn't mean anything. Kimimaro OWNED him without even to go cursed seal level 2.
Chakra does NOT equal SKILLS.
shikamaru has skills but too bad he lacks chakra.
You need both skills and chakra.
And Itachi probably knows over a thousand jutsus. you can't compare naruto with that.

[Hotsuma]

Naruto has a lot of raw power. But, that's all he has. Anybody that says he has potential like say, Itachi, seriously just need to shut the fuck up. It's been established that Naruto is nothing special. He's a hard working, low class joe.

As far as power is concerned, Naruto is stronger than Itachi. Does that mean he'll win against Itachi? Hell no. Even with his Kyuubi chakra and thousands of jutsus, Kimimaro completely made quick work of him.

End of discussion. Itachi is stronger than Naruto, not in power, but in skill, and obviously, brains. The man with the bigger guns don't necassarily always win.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Naruto has a lot of raw power. But, that's all he has. Anybody that says he has potential like say, Itachi, seriously just need to shut the fuck up. It's been established that Naruto is nothing special. He's a hard working, low class joe.

As far as power is concerned, Naruto is stronger than Itachi. Does that mean he'll win against Itachi? Hell no. Even with his Kyuubi chakra and thousands of jutsus, Kimimaro completely made quick work of him.

End of discussion. Itachi is stronger than Naruto, not in power, but in skill, and obviously, brains. The man with the bigger guns don't necassarily always win.

It wasn't even really a fight between Kimimaro and Naruto; they were barely getting started. If it really was a fight then Kyubi chakra would have been used. You are wrong about Naruto not having the potential of Itachi. Naruto has the potential to surpass all previous kages (meaning from all villages) and that includes Itachi who isn't even a kage, because Naruto has Kyubi. The man with the biggest guns, and is willing to use it, always wins.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
If it really was a fight then Kyubi chakra would have been used.

k...i must have misread this because i think you said that "naruto did not use kyubi chakra (go kyubi mode)." I MUST'VE MISREAD IT. I MUST HAVE. plz tell me that i misunderstood it...

[hiten mitsurugi]

Naruto can summon the kage bunshin with his own cantra. Remember when he saved Iruka sensei. He didn't use it then. The first time he started to tap Kyubi was when he thought Sasuke was dead and he went crazy on Haku. Naruto can do things on his own too you know.

[Vagabond]

hm sorry to change the subject but What about Jiraiya? He seems like the only person (so far) that intimidates itachi. Also doesn't Kisame say something like "He may be a match for the leafs #1 and one of the mists seven stongest." (Note that this may be a mistranslation) Doesn't that imply that Jiraiya would be a match for kisame and itachi at the same time? So if he is a match for both of them at the same time wouldn't that make him stronger or as strong as itachi alone?

Sorry if my logic is fucked up.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Well I'll second that notion Vagabond, for the primary reasoning based on actions and goals. Itachi and Kisame came forward in order to achieve a particular goal, and when faced with Jiraiya's presence (even injured as he was!), Itachi chose to withdraw and abandon his mission for the time being. This bears several possibilities :

(1)- The goal isn't time-sensitive, and Itachi decided to retry at a more 'convenient' time
(2)- Jiraiya was too much for Itachi to compete with at that time, because he had used his sharingan too much and needed time to recuperate
(3)- Jiraiya is too much hassle to deal with under any circumstances, better to avoid him
(4)- Itachi is actually working to sabotage Akatsuki missions from within, and is actually stronger than Jiraiya

I'm leaning on a mix between points 2 and 3. I would wager that Jiraiya and Itachi are roughly evenly matched when both are 100%, but it is somewhat troubling that Itachi would withdraw against an outnumbered and injured Jiraiya (Naruto and Sasuke are completely useless against ninja of that caliber.)

Imho, Itachi < Jiraiya .. but there is nothing concrete to go on yet, and it will probably be a while yet before we know more. Only one thing is certain : it will be very interesting [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[hiten mitsurugi]

Yay on that notion. You guys (vagabond, Memnoch) are surely on the right track. Itachi left Gai alone too.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Naruto can summon the kage bunshin with his own cantra. Remember when he saved Iruka sensei. He didn't use it then. The first time he started to tap Kyubi was when he thought Sasuke was dead and he went crazy on Haku. Naruto can do things on his own too you know.

sorry, but when naruto and kimimaro was fighting with all those clones, naruto was using kyubi chakra. it was crystal clear. his fangs grew, pupils changed, nails became claws, and wiskers became darker.

unless we're not talking about that...nevermind then.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Yeah I agree, Naruto was tappin some extra chakra in that situation. I also think it's pretty clear that Naruto hadn't gone totally berserk or serious just yet, or Kimi either for that matter .. they were both still probing each other's abilities when Lee showed up like a rabbit in a hat. Now of course, we have another guest [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] YaY 4 Gaara .. though it will certainly be nice to get some closure on one of these battles before anyone else shows up. What next? Gai and Kakashi interrupt? And then Hinata brings ramen? Time to wrap the already complex situation up .. and move on [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Hotsuma]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi

Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Naruto has a lot of raw power. But, that's all he has. Anybody that says he has potential like say, Itachi, seriously just need to shut the fuck up. It's been established that Naruto is nothing special. He's a hard working, low class joe.

As far as power is concerned, Naruto is stronger than Itachi. Does that mean he'll win against Itachi? Hell no. Even with his Kyuubi chakra and thousands of jutsus, Kimimaro completely made quick work of him.

End of discussion. Itachi is stronger than Naruto, not in power, but in skill, and obviously, brains. The man with the bigger guns don't necassarily always win.

It wasn't even really a fight between Kimimaro and Naruto; they were barely getting started. If it really was a fight then Kyubi chakra would have been used. You are wrong about Naruto not having the potential of Itachi. Naruto has the potential to surpass all previous kages (meaning from all villages) and that includes Itachi who isn't even a kage, because Naruto has Kyubi. The man with the biggest guns, and is willing to use it, always wins.

Naruto was pretty serious in that fight. He was using Kyuubi chakra. It was evident in the raged eyes, fangs and lines on his cheeks.

Naruto has more chakra than other ninjas. Does that mean he has the potential and gifts others do? Hell. No. The gun is only as useful as the person holding and firing it.

Kyuubi = automatic drop in consideration, for Naruto in the Hokage race.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Hokage race? What hokage race? What does that have to do with anything at THIS point in the story, other than that is Naruto's eventual goal? Any consideration for Naruto being hokage is probably many years off. It is quite clear that people change and grow in this series, and there is some pretty good indication that Naruto could well grow up into someone who would make a fine Hokage years down the road. (remember, he is just a brat kid right now, with a good heart and a somewhat slow brain). As for Naruto's potential, it seems like Kishimoto could make up anything he wanted .. I mean he could be the 4th's son, and carry inherited strengths that we don't even know about.

There is NO way to know one way or the other, so it's best not to make blanket statements when there is nothing but conjecture and speculation to go on. Sharing ideas is one thing, stating them as supposed facts is quite another.

[Gods_Son]

Everytime Itachi is brought up, there's always so much arguing.

v can't wait to see what happens when the anime people see Itachi v

[MemnochTheCaT]

How right you are [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Would be cool to see more level-headed discussions about Itachi and others... it's just rare.

[Mut]

just because people get a little too excited that doesn't mean we don't have level-headed or actual good discussions (i can't think of the correct words i want to use). most of discussion about itachi is filled with bright ideas/theories/thoughts.

[Daniel of Lorien]

[/quote]You make some good points but i think you are ignoring some facts. Itachi was naturally gifted in all aspects of being a Ninja even without the training of the Uchiha clan. Sasuke had the same training (but for a shorter time because Itachi murdered his parents) but did not progress as fast as Itachi. Itachi also showed a creativity and inventiveness that was unparalleled. For instace, in Sasuke's flashback how he wanted Itachi to teach him shuriken techniques instead of the academy because the way Itachi did it was different and better.

Sure Naruto has Kyuubi but if you take that away from him he's a second-class ninja. He didn't have a family, but for a long time Sasuke didn't have one either. Naruto DOES NOT have natural talent, he doesn't think rationally and thereforehe tries to make up for this he trained twice as hard as everyone else. Once again, the hero complex of many Anime comes into play where their shear determination to become the best or whatever drives the story. Not to hate on Naruto he's one of my favourite characters ever, but he really is nothing without his given advantages: Kyuubi, reading the forbidden scroll of seals when other's have not, and Jiraiya as a teacher. If Itachi or even Sasuke don't use their Sharingans they are still top rate Ninjas.

So as the climactic arch of Naruto approaches we will see Naruto in the ultimate fight against Itachi, where Itachi beats him up really badly but because Naruto "believes in himself" he'll get up and then unrealistically beat Itachi. So in strength of Chakra Naruto wins hand down, but realistically will he ever be as good as Itachi, probably not.[/quote]

You are wrong... Naruto show increadable talent... even before he could use the demon's chakara. You seem to forget his attack on Zabuza. Naruto will be strong because he wants to be... he as what he needs... ambition, strength, and support. As for the hard work crap everyone is spitting out... that isn't Naruto that's Lee. Lee is the hard work vs genius not Naruto. The moral of the series is protecting the person who is precious to you... that is what gives you true strength. This is said way way more than anything else in the whole series. In the end... Naruto is the strongest without a doubt... however strength doesn't win out... Knowledge and applied knowledge is what wins the day

[MemnochTheCaT]

That's an interesting statement, but it might help to make things that you are saying a bit more clear and understandable to the reader. Yes Lee is a genius of hard work, but that doesn't mean that Naruto, Sasuke, etc do not also work extremely hard. Sasuke just decided to try to take the curse seal shortcut, which invalidates much of his hard work, and Naruto gets bratty/impatient, which gives the wrong impression sometimes, because he IS very committed and willing to put in whatever it takes.

[Mut]

sasuke did work hard. he worked hard to gain lee's speed (without weights). and then he surpassed it by taking the shortcut of achieving lvl 2.

[abomb]

the only way naruto could beat itachi would be if he could learn to fight with his eyes closed... and found a technique that somehow couldnt be copied