Okay I understand that at this point Naruto is nothing compared to Itachi, but I think it is also wrong to say that Naruto only has the potential to be more powerful than Itachi. He has the energy already stored in him in the form of the nine tails, he just hasnt released it. Its not potential, its already there
His body can't handle all of the Kyubi's chakra, and even when he recieves tremendous amounts of chakra from it, he doesn't know that many jutsus and doesn't have as many ways to mold and use the chakra to it's full advantage. When we have seen Naruto using Kyubi chakra, he has been impressive, but he still lost to Oro in the Forest of Death quite easily. To say that Naruto is at Itachi's level right now would just be stupid, but he will get there eventually.
Maybe Chakra-level wise, but not technique wise.
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yea i guess i agree konohamuru, but the chakra is definitely there, its not potential
In my opinion the only reason Naruto can become better is the fact that he's the main character and they want o drive home the message that hardwork can overcome any obstacle. In a real situation there is no way that Naruto would ever become as good as Itachi. But i agree that the chakra is there if Naruto could develop the skill that Itachi naturally had when he was born. Wasn't he the leader of an Anbu squad at like 11 or something?
Suzu, Itachi became an Anbu captain at 13. 6 months later he offed the whole clan.
Secondly, goku, even if he has the chakra, he can't use it to its full extent yet, and his range of jutsus that he knows is way, WAY lower than Itachi. That's still potential, not actual strength.
That's a really bad comparison. Itachi became strong because the Uchiha Clan helped train him. Where is the Uzumaki clan? Where was Naruto's mother or father? How do you know he couldn't be anbu leader by age 11? How do you know he couldn't be hokage by age 13? He easily could have been.Originally posted by: Suzu
In my opinion the only reason Naruto can become better is the fact that he's the main character and they want o drive home the message that hardwork can overcome any obstacle. In a real situation there is no way that Naruto would ever become as good as Itachi. But i agree that the chakra is there if Naruto could develop the skill that Itachi naturally had when he was born. Wasn't he the leader of an Anbu squad at like 11 or something?
As I have stated before, in terms of sheer strength, Naruto is stronger than Itachi. The definition for strength is "the capacity or potential for effective action." Keyword is "potential." Naruto has more potential then anyone who has ever lived in the manga because he has kyubi.
People do not use the excuse that Naruto's body can't handle all of kyubi's chakra. What the hell does he need all of kyubi's chakra for? Ebisu explained that you only need x amount of chakra to perform each jutsu. He complained that Naruto was using too much, uneeded chakra. What would he need to use all of kyubi's chakra for? A jutsu that uses that much chakra doesn't exist, because Naruto is the first person that has ever been in his type of a situation.
In terms of skills, Itachi hands down will beat the crap out of Naruto. Naruto lacks the necessary training because he was an outcast since his birth. No one took the time to train or help him.
In short, Naruto is the strongest character introduced. Itachi is just a extremely skilled fighter, not the strongest.
first, it's not an excuse, it's a fact. second, it doesn't really matter how much kyubi chakra naruto can use at the moment when the the amount he brings out is incomparable to the strength of itachi, kimimaro, orochimaru, jiraiya, etc.
You make some good points but i think you are ignoring some facts. Itachi was naturally gifted in all aspects of being a Ninja even without the training of the Uchiha clan. Sasuke had the same training (but for a shorter time because Itachi murdered his parents) but did not progress as fast as Itachi. Itachi also showed a creativity and inventiveness that was unparalleled. For instace, in Sasuke's flashback how he wanted Itachi to teach him shuriken techniques instead of the academy because the way Itachi did it was different and better.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
That's a really bad comparison. Itachi became strong because the Uchiha Clan helped train him. Where is the Uzumaki clan? Where was Naruto's mother or father? How do you know he couldn't be anbu leader by age 11? How do you know he couldn't be hokage by age 13? He easily could have been.Originally posted by: Suzu
In my opinion the only reason Naruto can become better is the fact that he's the main character and they want o drive home the message that hardwork can overcome any obstacle. In a real situation there is no way that Naruto would ever become as good as Itachi. But i agree that the chakra is there if Naruto could develop the skill that Itachi naturally had when he was born. Wasn't he the leader of an Anbu squad at like 11 or something?
As I have stated before, in terms of sheer strength, Naruto is stronger than Itachi. The definition for strength is "the capacity or potential for effective action." Keyword is "potential." Naruto has more potential then anyone who has ever lived in the manga because he has kyubi.
People do not use the excuse that Naruto's body can't handle all of kyubi's chakra. What the hell does he need all of kyubi's chakra for? Ebisu explained that you only need x amount of chakra to perform each jutsu. He complained that Naruto was using too much, uneeded chakra. What would he need to use all of kyubi's chakra for? A jutsu that uses that much chakra doesn't exist, because Naruto is the first person that has ever been in his type of a situation.
In terms of skills, Itachi hands down will beat the crap out of Naruto. Naruto lacks the necessary training because he was an outcast since his birth. No one took the time to train or help him.
In short, Naruto is the strongest character introduced. Itachi is just a extremely skilled fighter, not the strongest.
Sure Naruto has Kyuubi but if you take that away from him he's a second-class ninja. He didn't have a family, but for a long time Sasuke didn't have one either. Naruto DOES NOT have natural talent, he doesn't think rationally and thereforehe tries to make up for this he trained twice as hard as everyone else. Once again, the hero complex of many Anime comes into play where their shear determination to become the best or whatever drives the story. Not to hate on Naruto he's one of my favourite characters ever, but he really is nothing without his given advantages: Kyuubi, reading the forbidden scroll of seals when other's have not, and Jiraiya as a teacher. If Itachi or even Sasuke don't use their Sharingans they are still top rate Ninjas.
So as the climactic arch of Naruto approaches we will see Naruto in the ultimate fight against Itachi, where Itachi beats him up really badly but because Naruto "believes in himself" he'll get up and then unrealistically beat Itachi. So in strength of Chakra Naruto wins hand down, but realistically will he ever be as good as Itachi, probably not.
wait i just realized i was arguing the wrong aspect of the question, you are right. But in truth Naruto is not strong when it comes down to being a good ninja. I think that is where Itachi will always dominate he's an uncomparable genius of skill and therefore realistically Naruto can't beat him. But yeah, my bad when it comes to "strength" Naruto beats everyone.
[/quote]You make some good points but i think you are ignoring some facts. Itachi was naturally gifted in all aspects of being a Ninja even without the training of the Uchiha clan. Sasuke had the same training (but for a shorter time because Itachi murdered his parents) but did not progress as fast as Itachi. Itachi also showed a creativity and inventiveness that was unparalleled. For instace, in Sasuke's flashback how he wanted Itachi to teach him shuriken techniques instead of the academy because the way Itachi did it was different and better.
Sure Naruto has Kyuubi but if you take that away from him he's a second-class ninja. He didn't have a family, but for a long time Sasuke didn't have one either. Naruto DOES NOT have natural talent, he doesn't think rationally and thereforehe tries to make up for this he trained twice as hard as everyone else. Once again, the hero complex of many Anime comes into play where their shear determination to become the best or whatever drives the story. Not to hate on Naruto he's one of my favourite characters ever, but he really is nothing without his given advantages: Kyuubi, reading the forbidden scroll of seals when other's have not, and Jiraiya as a teacher. If Itachi or even Sasuke don't use their Sharingans they are still top rate Ninjas.
So as the climactic arch of Naruto approaches we will see Naruto in the ultimate fight against Itachi, where Itachi beats him up really badly but because Naruto "believes in himself" he'll get up and then unrealistically beat Itachi. So in strength of Chakra Naruto wins hand down, but realistically will he ever be as good as Itachi, probably not.[/quote]
You are wrong... Naruto show increadable talent... even before he could use the demon's chakara. You seem to forget his attack on Zabuza. Naruto will be strong because he wants to be... he as what he needs... ambition, strength, and support. As for the hard work crap everyone is spitting out... that isn't Naruto that's Lee. Lee is the hard work vs genius not Naruto. The moral of the series is protecting the person who is precious to you... that is what gives you true strength. This is said way way more than anything else in the whole series. In the end... Naruto is the strongest without a doubt... however strength doesn't win out... Knowledge and applied knowledge is what wins the day
It's been Naruto's dream to be Hokage for a while, if it was so easy for him, then I'm sure he would've been. He couldn't have been an anbu leader by age 11, because he couldn't even perform Bunshin properly back then. His parents are dead, and there is no Uzumaki clan. I know these things, because they are facts of the show. Asking stupid rhetorical questions doesn't help to prove your point.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
That's a really bad comparison. Itachi became strong because the Uchiha Clan helped train him. Where is the Uzumaki clan? Where was Naruto's mother or father? How do you know he couldn't be anbu leader by age 11? How do you know he couldn't be hokage by age 13? He easily could have been.
If you paid attention, you would notice that it was an unfair comparison. Let me be a little more clear (maybe you're a visual learner):Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
It's been Naruto's dream to be Hokage for a while, if it was so easy for him, then I'm sure he would've been. He couldn't have been an anbu leader by age 11, because he couldn't even perform Bunshin properly back then. His parents are dead, and there is no Uzumaki clan. I know these things, because they are facts of the show. Asking stupid rhetorical questions doesn't help to prove your point.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
That's a really bad comparison. Itachi became strong because the Uchiha Clan helped train him. Where is the Uzumaki clan? Where was Naruto's mother or father? How do you know he couldn't be anbu leader by age 11? How do you know he couldn't be hokage by age 13? He easily could have been.
Itachi child/adolescent advantages | Naruto child/adolescent disadvantages
family trained him | No family, thus no training
Clan trained him | No clan thus no training
Socially accepted and loved | Social outcast because of kyubi
As you can see Itachi's upbringing was more favorable then Naruto's. This is why it's an unfair comparison.
Dazzz, Naruto can pull out the sennin/hokage level amounts of cantra. proof: Gamabunta and Rasengan.
eventually he will be on par with Itachi when he's older and gets his head together
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omg, wtf...
itachi is the strongest character introduced and that is alive. not naruto. if naruto was that strong then jiraiya wouldn't need to protect him.
Naruto knows...
Bunshin
kaga bunshin
summoning
rasengan
koramari? (the wood switching techneque)
sexy no jutsu
harem no jutsu
uzumaki naruto rendan
Itachi knows...
excellent tai-gen-nin jutsu
here we go again how come this hasn't been locked yet its so been done over and over and over..etc
How much do i suck with photoshop?
was The Next Hokage
To hell with all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rock Lee pwns them all!!!
*Does the Rock Lee dance*
Naruto has already maid 2 kickass jutsus!
Maybe he can use them against Itachi
So far he has just used Kage Bunshin in interesting ways, he hasn't made any actual jutsus (they were kickass anyway). I mean, The Fourth came up with Rasengan, Shiki Fuujin and stuff like that.
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