Wow that's pretty lame, Elessar. The series centers around Naruto .. if you hate it that much DONT WATCH/READ IT. Good riddance.
Wow that's pretty lame, Elessar. The series centers around Naruto .. if you hate it that much DONT WATCH/READ IT. Good riddance.
Warning, warning!
Time for everyone to cool down a bit.
I agree with you Elessar!
I stick with your conclusion... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
'Really good written'!? I must admit, you speak English better than I speak Swedish, but that guy couldn't even summon the necessary skills to correctly spell 'pearls', and he's lecturing about shinobi and atomic energy? WTF? Itachi had the benefits of being born into an elite family, and probably had the best teachers in Konoha to help him along the way, not to mention that he has the sharingan to ease learning new techniques.
So he supposedly kills his family, and takes off to join some mafia-esque organization to hang out with some ugly loser named Kisame .. and then comes back and FAILS in the mission given to him, utterly and completely. In actual history, ninja were hired because of their ability to get in unnoticed, do their job, and hopefully get out. Itachi only succeeded in escaping, he failed miserably at avoiding detection, failed miserably at withholding his mission/employer identity. This hardly qualifies Itachi as 'smart', or even a very good ninja. There is a vey big IF about this, however, and that could be if Itachi is actually sabotaging his stated mission on purpose, and he is going about his actions for motives not currently known. Remember, being powerful and being effective are not necessarily parallel in actuality.
Itachi is EXTREMELY powerful, there is no doubt about that, and certainly in a whole different realm than Naruto currently occupies. Yet I would venture to say that Naruto, in his apparent weakness, is more of a man than Itachi is, because he realizes the integrity and honor of hard work, and standing by your friends regardless of personal cost.
If I had to estimate the strongest characters introduced so far, they would be :
1- Kyuubi (non-human)
2- The 4th (non-living)
3- Jiraiya (living)
Of course, it would be anti-climatic to have an obviously 'strongest' living character, so Kishimoto keeps things ambiguous to leave conjecture, imagination, and possibilities alive. All I can say is, it's going to be interesting in the coming months [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
If you paid attention, you would notice that it was an unfair comparison. Let me be a little more clear (maybe you're a visual learner):Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
It's been Naruto's dream to be Hokage for a while, if it was so easy for him, then I'm sure he would've been. He couldn't have been an anbu leader by age 11, because he couldn't even perform Bunshin properly back then. His parents are dead, and there is no Uzumaki clan. I know these things, because they are facts of the show. Asking stupid rhetorical questions doesn't help to prove your point.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
That's a really bad comparison. Itachi became strong because the Uchiha Clan helped train him. Where is the Uzumaki clan? Where was Naruto's mother or father? How do you know he couldn't be anbu leader by age 11? How do you know he couldn't be hokage by age 13? He easily could have been.
Itachi child/adolescent advantages | Naruto child/adolescent disadvantages
family trained him | No family, thus no training
Clan trained him | No clan thus no training
Socially accepted and loved | Social outcast because of kyubi
As you can see Itachi's upbringing was more favorable then Naruto's. This is why it's an unfair comparison.
Dazzz, Naruto can pull out the sennin/hokage level amounts of cantra. proof: Gamabunta and Rasengan.
Itachi is weak! Konohamaru is the strongest of them all.
here we go again how come this hasn't been locked yet its so been done over and over and over..etc
How much do i suck with photoshop?
was The Next Hokage
To hell with all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rock Lee pwns them all!!!
*Does the Rock Lee dance*
Alright. Up until now the discussion was about an anime called "Naruto". Things that you noticed that happened during this show and things that we noticed. And our opinions about it. Fine. Now you start insulting me personally and call me somewhat illiterate. Why? Please tell me, why?Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
'Really good written'!? I must admit, you speak English better than I speak Swedish, but that guy couldn't even summon the necessary skills to correctly spell 'pearls', and he's lecturing about shinobi and atomic energy? WTF?
Concerning the language issues: yes, your english is better than mine. On the other hand I am quite sure my german is better than yours. That's the advantage of discussing in ones mother tongue or not. Everything else would be plain embarrassing (not to mention that you made your decision about my "skills" based on one omitted character). As for the lecture on atomic energy - I am not aware of having talked/written about that. I used the terms "atomic aspect" or "atomic problem". Quite widespread terms in technical english, german and other languages. An atomic problem is a problem that cannot be further devided into smaller problems. Like an atom in chemistry. The same applies for an "atomic aspect" of something. How and why you correlate that to "energy" is beyond my understanding.
True.Itachi had the benefits of being born into an elite family, and probably had the best teachers in Konoha to help him along the way, not to mention that he has the sharingan to ease learning new techniques.
So he supposedly kills his family, and takes off to join some mafia-esque organization to hang out with some ugly loser named Kisame .. and then comes back and FAILS in the mission given to him, utterly and completely. In actual history, ninja were hired because of their ability to get in unnoticed, do their job, and hopefully get out.
True, except for the employer part. Jiraiya told Kakashi about Akatsuki before Itachi arrived, so why is he responsible for konoha getting this information? Jiraiya tracked Orochimaru.Itachi only succeeded in escaping, he failed miserably at avoiding detection, failed miserably at withholding his mission/employer identity.
That is the good thing about opinions - there are enough for everyone to have his own.This hardly qualifies Itachi as 'smart', or even a very good ninja. There is a vey big IF about this, however, and that could be if Itachi is actually sabotaging his stated mission on purpose, and he is going about his actions for motives not currently known. Remember, being powerful and being effective are not necessarily parallel in actuality.
There are more things one can like about an anime series than one character, even if he is the main character.Wow that's pretty lame, Elessar. The series centers around Naruto .. if you hate it that much DONT WATCH/READ IT. Good riddance.
And it has nothing to do with hate at all. It's just about rational and unbiased (as much as possible) observations each and every one of us may have made and the conclusions we draw in accordance to them.
The character Naruto is an important part of the show and I accept him as that. But that does not imply that I have to love him or have to think better of him than I think he deserves.
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"If you were young again, would you start writing TeX again or would you use Microsoft Word, or another word processor?
I hope to die before I have to use Microsoft Word." (Donald E. Knuth)
Well said, Ellesar [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] German eh? Cool [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
Point taken on your English, actually you only had that one typo. I saw another one of your posts in another thread that was articulate and concise, so I retract any inferred criticism directed towards your writing skills. Indeed your English skills are better than my German skills shall ever be.
I understand your opinion on the Naruto character, perhaps I took too much offense to the use of expletives for description. I will always have more respect towards someone making their point with clarity and skill rather than reverting to cursing for effect.
It appears that we actually agree for the most part on the points at hand, for example I also look at Naruto as somewhat dim-witted (although good at surprising people!), etc.
Cheers ..
Kanpai!
That means we can give an all-clear to lasaire, everything's cool.
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"If you were young again, would you start writing TeX again or would you use Microsoft Word, or another word processor?
I hope to die before I have to use Microsoft Word." (Donald E. Knuth)
Elessar, would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the relative strengths/weaknesses of Itachi and Jiraiya.
hmm,
naruto is kinda stupid and not very skilled but he can become pretty well determined about things.
For example when he learned the Rasengan, he trained very har for that, he trained almost continouosly.
he trained even when it hurted like hell. Not many people would do that except for Lee.
Just beacause he is so determined, he can learn jutsus at a pretty short time.
some people say that just because he have kyubis chakra he can beat anyone.
He may have the chakra but what good use is the chakra when you can't use it?
So he still need to learn jutsus, and the chakra doesn't make him learn the jutsus faster.
Naruto will one day become one of the strongest and whoop Itachis ass. Or wait a minute, I think Sasuke kills Itachi.
And another thing is that you don't need to be a genius to be a excellent ninja, and that is provven by lee.
well if u say it this way, ur the stupid one, without observation.Originally posted by: itachi_
About that naruto have the kyubi chakra and don't know many jutsu's, just re-watch episode 62 and see what happend when he had achieved alot of it, he just ran into neji and took heavy damage to himself also, he could've done something smarter , techniques which wont damage yourself *stupid naruto*
IF u noticed, naruto told neji "youre confident about close combat arent u?"
then he rushed right in.
this is to show that he wanted to beat neji at some neji was good at, just to show that he was much better than neji, and not because he was stupid.
the only one whos stupid here is u
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Originally posted by: SilentDevil
the only one whos stupid here is u
Actually, the stupid one is YOU. Consider yourself warned, keep the discussion to the topic. You might read a few messages up and notice how MemnochTheCat and Ellesar resolved their differences maturely and calmly.
So, thank you Memnoch and Ellesar for providing a good example. SilentDevil, keep it to the topic.
Yeah I think Naruto did about as good as he could against Neji .. he didn't have much of a choice since he didn't have any effective ranged attacks. If Naruto could develop some more advanced taijutsu and some additional ranged attacks, he would be incredibly deadly to deal with. Rasengen is very good, but he is a bit slow with it right now, and kunai have almost always been absolutely useless against any competent opponent.
EDIT : Thanks Lasaire [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
the 3rd is the strongest character introduced into the series, if you dont know that you all know nothing about naruto
as for people alive right now it would have to be Itachi and Orochimaru - a possibility of Kabuto if his mysterious eyes turn out to be anything (although we see Kabuto do alot more then Itachi does)
Naruto has just recently learned how to summon the Kyuubi's chakra, but he can't use it very effectively yet. When Naruto learns to mold and control that enormous chakra better, just imagine what he'll be able to accomplish. Naruto is very creative, so I bet he'll come up with many ways how to use it to his advantage. Apparently The Fourth was very creative too, came up with many cool jutsus. Maybe Naruto will make some kickass jutsus on his own too [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Naruto has already maid 2 kickass jutsus!
Maybe he can use them against Itachi
So far he has just used Kage Bunshin in interesting ways, he hasn't made any actual jutsus (they were kickass anyway). I mean, The Fourth came up with Rasengan, Shiki Fuujin and stuff like that.
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